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  1. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    I've echoed this sentiment many a time. Thank you. For the record, I was not discounting baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In my church we always baptize that way. I was only saying we can't limit the discussion to only that verse, which is why I opened it up to all...
  2. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Since God did create the world and everyone in it, and since God did care for those outside of the lineage of Abraham, as in the account of Jonah with Nineveh, I have a hard time seeing God keeping his covenant to just one group. I believe there was to be some plan ultimately to reconcile all...
  3. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Lol.
  4. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    If by root you mean that God's gracious nature is the fountain from from which all else flows, I agree. If by root you mean saved and fruit you mean after saved then that's another matter. How do you answer the Op?
  5. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    He mentions the gospel a bunch of times from 1 Corinthians through Philippians, and in other books too.
  6. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Those would be the ones who received the Holy Spirit "on" or "upon" as opposed to the Holy Spirit indwelt as in Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19. Well Paul did say 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. So although they...
  7. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Never heard that before. Don't know who made up that principle. Ok, will have to revisit that. Not fresh in my memory. Agreed with not oversimplifying. What is reductionistic?
  8. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Agreed. These views exist. There is also the view of believer's baptism that it is not purposed as a sign, but as part of the entry into being saved. Believer's baptism is attached to both these views. Now, what is found in the text about its purpose? Which is a question that is difficult to...
  9. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Thank you and fully agreed. Fortunately, we also have 23 more books to look in. Thank you and fully agreed. This thread is addressing baptism in Jesus's name, which is in water. You can also go to my last post on page one for a fuller description. Agreed, that is a stated purpose. Agreed.
  10. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    As with 1 Corinthians 2, it doesn't mention baptism. Take care.
  11. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    I Cor 2 doesn't mention the word baptism.
  12. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Leov, NT scripture please, or kindly go elsewhere to discuss this different topic. This thread is about written in scripture purposes on baptism.
  13. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Scripture does not understand sin that way.
  14. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Agreed, and that's a synonym to sin.
  15. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Explain please.
  16. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Sorry, but that's not a verse in the Bible, which is what is requested. I know Gnosticism is not a religion. It sets up camp in different religions and attempts to influence them from within. Any belief system can find passages that contain words similar to their beliefs until properly...
  17. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Yeah, that sounds gnostic alright. That whole physical/natural and spiritual dichotomy, which the early Church Fathers warned against as it did not rear it's head until well after the first century. ἁμαρτία,n \{ham-ar-tee'-ah} 1) equivalent to 264 1a) to be without a share in 1b) to miss the...
  18. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    That may be a good connection if it was ever stated "get baptized in order to follow Jesus's example", but that is not "written", that's just guessed. I never read of anyone in the NT who got baptized like Jesus did to "fulfill all righteousness", nor anyone other than Jesus who could.
  19. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Sorry, but this thread is based on what the scriptures say, not gnostic sources. I'm familiar with the gnostic knowledge fascination, but that's a whole other discussion meant for another thread.
  20. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Although I agree with your John 3 assessment, I'm going just go with 1 Peter 3:21 because it is stated explicitly that baptism is about washing the conscience. It also states even baptism doth also now save us, since we're making reference to that passage. So so far we have Romans 6:3-4, Acts...
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