OutHouse,
Hope you had a good weekend. I am not ignorant of what many believe regarding the authorship of many of the NT MSS. However, many textual critics hold to a different authorship than you are claiming, just FYI. The actual author did not claim authorship of many, so we are doing our...
OutHouse,
Actually, many scholars are convinced that John wrote all of his gospel and 1 John as well. Irenaeus, in his Against Heresies, early in the 2nd century, attributed John's gospel to John, and he was known by Polycarp, who was a close associate of the apostle - probably discipled by John.
2 Peter 1:20, 21 says that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of personal interpretation. IOW, there is only one valid interpretation:
2 Peter 1:20, 21 First of all, you should know this: no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the...
OutHouse,
You were not! I was just trying to make it clear that though we disagree on some points, I will be careful to respect your position and not get too intense. I enjoy discussions such as this as, according to Proverbs 9:10, "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another."
Since...
OutHouse,
Nice avitar, BTW. :p So then yuo agree that Jesus was always seen as deity, but believe that He was created by the Father, and created all else?
Take care,
BD
Uh, the baptism by John the Baptizer occurs at the beginning of His ministry. It is described in all three of the synoptic gospels, as I said earlier. The time is the same, then, of this event.
Each of the gospels have a different agenda, purpose and order of the events they describe, depending...
SavageWind,
Just a few NT texts that make Jesus' deity clear:
John 1:1-4. I dealt in detail earlier with the Greek here. If you disagree, please support your arguments.
Colossians 1:15-19 and Hebrews 1:1-3 as well as John 1:1-6 show that Jesus created all that has ever come into being...
By books, do you mean books of the NT? This event is told in all 3 of the synoptic gospels (Matthew 3, Mark 1 and Luke 3).
The OT says that God is one, and Jesus said that He was one with the Father. That is saying that they are one in essence.
The baptism I referenced earlier shows that...
OutHouse,
I agree that Constantine was more interested in the council coming to a resolution so that there would be peace in the cap. In the Council of Nicea we find that the agreement about the deity of Christ was over 300 to 2. Only 2 took the Arian stance. That was because the idea that...
SavageWind,
Nice thread. I'm coming late to it, I see.
Actually, scripture does teach that Jesus is God (deity). It also teaches that the Son is one with the Father, and so hence of the same essence. It does not teach that the Son and the Father are the same Person. For example regarding...
Carlita,
Greetings! Nice thread. I think we should include the next verse for context:
Galatians 2:20, 21 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the flesh (essentially, "the body") I live by faith in the the Son of...
Greetings. Thx for the comments. I love that verse, BTW!
Now Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation," and you argue that this indicates that the Son had a beginning... that He was created by God. But remember the idea there is that Jesus, as the firstborn, receives a double inheritance. It...
Modalism is the teaching that there is one God in essence (with which trinitarians agree) and only one Person as well (where trinitarians depart) - but that this one God appears in various forms or modes. Modalism does not say that there are three Gods. It teaches that there is one God, but...
I disagree that everything has God's essence, just because he created everything. That is pantheism. If I create a painting, does it have my very essence?
BadDog
John 1:1-18 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things came into being by him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.In him was life,and the life was the light of...
Actually, that is modalism. Trinitarians, who definitely seem to be in a minority here :p , do not hold that there is one God who appears in various forms. There is one God and three distinct Persons. Remember that God is not some superhuman such as Superman. He is God and we are not. Hence...
Allan,
Well, I agree that Jesus is the source for accessing the Father, and faith in Him will result in immortality. But Jesus is God. We are not and can never become God. This is an important distinction to keep in mind. I have seen many Arian arguments regarding Christ, including Sir...
yes, Jesus was a man of flesh, who became a human being when he entered the world over 2000 years ago. But He has always existed. You cannot become God. By its very nature, to be God one must be outside time and space. Jesus created all that has come into being, and withouit Him nothing came...