Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Yes]

You have to remember something. We are reading Enlish bibles that have been translated from Hebrew and Greek. The Greek word for "spirit" in that verse is "breath", which makes more sense when you really think about it.

No, your way does not make sense.

 

[Yes]

[God made Himself a body]
I can look at that one of two ways. God making a body, like Adam. Or "changing" Himself into a body. The bible doesnt say that. Jesus is God's plans made flesh. God's logos, words, plans, thoughts made flesh. Jesus is now born in verse 14. He has now come into existence. Is Jesus very God as some people call it? No, of course not. Did God split in two or duplicate Himself? No. Scripture tells us that God had a son. Why is that so hard to understand?

God came as a Son of Man.

 

[cataway]

(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

 

[cataway]

(Mark 12:29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

some would find it odd that Jesus would say Jehovah is God . not me

 

[moorea944]

No, your way does not make sense.

I agree, It doesn make sense to your version.

 

[moorea944]

God came as a Son of Man.

Then who was in heaven? Didnt Jesus pray to God? See what I mean? Doesnt make sense. If God changed into Jesus, there should be no God in heaven? Right? Right...

 

[hayman]

Because God came as a Man.

Well thanks for clearing that silly thing up for me.

 

[BadDog]

Then who was in heaven? Didnt Jesus pray to God? See what I mean? Doesnt make sense. If God changed into Jesus, there should be no God in heaven? Right? Right...

Actually, that is modalism. Trinitarians, who definitely seem to be in a minority here , do not hold that there is one God who appears in various forms. There is one God and three distinct Persons. Remember that God is not some superhuman such as Superman. He is God and we are not. Hence his essence and person will not necessarily coincide with humans in nature.

BadDog

 

[Yes]

Well thanks for clearing that silly thing up for me.

The Almighty God can do what He wants to do, and He came as a Man.
God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus, and God made that plan before the creation of anything.
God made Himself the glorified body of the Man Jesus, the First and the Last. Then God made everything through him, for him, and by him.

Jesus is God made visible in heaven, and on earth. On earth, when Jesus gave up his place in heaven to be the voice and body of God on earth. Then God exalted Jesus to the same glory he had with Him before the creation of the world.

 

[Yes]

Actually, that is modalism. Trinitarians, who definitely seem to be in a minority here , do not hold that there is one God who appears in various forms. There is one God and three distinct Persons. Remember that God is not some superhuman such as Superman. He is God and we are not. Hence his essence and person will not necessarily coincide with humans in nature.

BadDog

If Jesus is God, and he is, then he is also the Father, because there is ONLY ONE GOD and He is the Father.

I am not a modalist, because modalism says there are three but that the three do not exist at the same time.

I know the three exist at the same time.

There are three, and the three are One and the same.

If they are different, and separate, as the trinitarians teach, then that makes a three headed god.

 

[Yes]

Then who was in heaven? Didnt Jesus pray to God? See what I mean? Doesnt make sense. If God changed into Jesus, there should be no God in heaven? Right? Right...

We can understand human clones, but you cannot understand how God can come as a Man?

 

[Yes]

I agree, It doesn make sense to your version.

Your way says a mere man became God. Men cannot become God. However, God can and did come as a Man.

 

[Yes]

(Mark 12:29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

some would find it odd that Jesus would say Jehovah is God . not me

God the Father and Jesus Christ are exactly the same. In fact, when you see Jesus, you can say you have seen the Father.

 

[moorea944]

We can understand human clones, but you cannot understand how God can come as a Man?

God didnt become a man. By saying God became a man and brought Himself down to our level, totally degrades our Creator. The bible DOES NOT tell us that God changed into a man. God does not change. He had a son thru the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not give glory to himself. He did not pray to himself. Something to think about, eh?

 

[moorea944]

Your way says a mere man became God. Men cannot become God. However, God can and did come as a Man.

I never said Jesus was a mere man. Never. He was begotten by God by the Holy Spirit. God was his Father. That is not a mere man. And I never said that he became God. That would be false doctrine. Plus, why would God want to become a man? He had Jesus and the angels doing his work on earth.

 

[JM2C]

If Jesus is God, and he is, then he is also the Father, because there is ONLY ONE GOD and He is the Father.

I am not a modalist, because modalism says there are three but that the three do not exist at the same time.

I know the three exist at the same time.

There are three, and the three are One and the same.

If they are different, and separate, as the trinitarians teach, then that makes a three headed god.

Trinitarian does not teach trinity as different or separate from each other.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah" the word “Elohim” being plural shows that God the Lord, is more than one, yet is "ONE Jehovah". Echad: a united ONE, and not Yachid: an only one.

 

[katiemygirl]

God the Father and Jesus Christ are exactly the same. In fact, when you see Jesus, you can say you have seen the Father.

That is precisely what Jesus said. What exactly isn't cataway getting?

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 14:9

 

[katiemygirl]

I never said Jesus was a mere man. Never. He was begotten by God by the Holy Spirit. God was his Father. That is not a mere man. And I never said that he became God. That would be false doctrine. Plus, why would God want to become a man? He had Jesus and the angels doing his work on earth.

Moore, are you aware that Yaweh became a man in the Old Testament. He came to earth. In Genesis 18, Yaweh, along with two other men visited Abraham. Read the account for yourself.

 

[katiemygirl]

Then who was in heaven? Didnt Jesus pray to God? See what I mean? Doesnt make sense. If God changed into Jesus, there should be no God in heaven? Right? Right...

Once again you deny that with God, all things are possible. Why is it so difficult for you to accept that God can be in many places at once, in any form He chooses. He is God. He can do anything. I think you are relying on your own human reasoning rather than faith that with God, all things are possible.

Man's wisdom has gotten him into trouble since the beginning. He'd rather trust in himself than the Lord.

 

[moorea944]

Moore, are you aware that Yaweh became a man in the Old Testament. He came to earth. In Genesis 18, Yaweh, along with two other men visited Abraham. Read the account for yourself.

Yahweh never became a man and came to earth. It's called God manifestation. God revealing Himself or working through people. Jesus, prophets, angels, etc. Angels represent God and bare His name. An angel can also speak for God as if God was speaking through the angel.

Same with Gen 18. God manifestation right there. Three angels appearing as three men. That's all. They are representing God on His behave. Three of God's angels.