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  1. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    you basically say that satan created and gave the Tanach to the people of Israel. Judaism and Christianity don't believe in it. read again my previous response.
  2. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    In Genesis 3:14 God is cursing the serpent contradicting your theory. additionally, it was God who promised Avraham the holy land and it was he who got the people of Israel out of Egypt to Mount Sinai and told us 613 commandments, which as I was told, Christ was not objecting to them or telling...
  3. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    prove what? there is life on other planets? or an intelligent one? you prove it.
  4. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    oh, didn't know that
  5. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    it seems that you are correct and he is in hell if he was an epikoros, by this source in Tosefta Sanhedrin 13, hell is locked for epikoros אבל המסורות והאפיקורסין והכופרין בתורה ופורשים מדרכי צבור ושאין מודים בתחיית המתים וכל מי שחטא והחטיא את הרבים כגון ירבעם ואחאב ושנתנו חיתתם בארץ חיים ושפשטו...
  6. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    over 700 quintillions. none. though there isn't any contradiction of having unintelligent life in other planets
  7. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    but it does matter whether you believe in something that has a base in the text. unfortunately, I spoke with Christians and I got different answers. like I've asked @cOLTER whether he is an atheist. I still don't know what he believe in case and point
  8. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    I can give reference Numbers 26, 1 Chronicles 2 The sons of Jacob talked with each other in a language they thought Josef doesn't understand. "And Reuben answered them, saying, “Did I not speak to you, saying, ‘Do not sin against the boy’; and you would not listen? Therefore behold, his blood...
  9. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    wouldn't it make them liars, not holy? I don't understand where God's place in your theology
  10. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    so, you don't believe in God as written in the Tanach? are you an Atheist?
  11. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    I totally agree
  12. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    the 70 descendants and their families of Jacob that came to Egypt must have talked Hebrew (Rashi Genesis 42:23). later the people that came out of Egypt talked Hebrew because it was their tribal language and it was 80 years after Josef died. Skipping to the time we were occupied in our land, why...
  13. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    the sentence of the wicked is 12 months, which is why we say Kadish only 11 months after his death. sanhedrin 10:1 All of the Jewish people, have a share in the World-to-Come, as it is stated: “And your people also shall be all righteous, they shall inherit the land forever; the branch of My...
  14. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    my point is that every time I talk with a Christian, I don't really know what he thinks about Christ
  15. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    as I said here before, Christians believe in this theology because they grew into it. to me as a jew, it makes my head hurt. my point was that you brought up a quote that contradicts your claim. Genesis 15:13-21 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in...
  16. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    It sounds like things are very complicated already did he say that he was the Messiah? depends on who I'm asking. did he say that he was God? depends on who I'm asking. did he say that he was a prophet? depends on who I'm asking. did he encourage Jews to follow God's commandments as written in...
  17. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    by the looks of it, he did say that he came from heaven.
  18. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    fact: the word of God was given to the Jewish people alone. you won't find a single gentile prophet after Balaam from the time of Moses and in Mount Sinai only the Jewish people were present. I'll argue that whatever attitude the Jewish people had towards gentile culture, it wasn't enough in the...
  19. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    average common people. abroad and especially in the Holy Land. because then there is a continuance in the native spoken language common sense. if there is a commandment to teach your children the Torah, the commandments, and their rules, the oral part of the Torah, it is logical to assume that...
  20. rubi

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    that is news
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