metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Are you assuming that yours does?
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If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
seekandfind
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What would the "essence" be? He is Gods son and did his will perfectly. He said "If yove seen me youve seen the Father" showing that if God were in his place the exact same thing would have been carried out.How about maybe the essence of YHWH?
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seekandfind
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Assuming, no.Are you assuming that yours does?
seekandfind
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And now there are all different sects of that church teaching different things. A diffetent teaching fro the Greek scriptures would mean they arent part of Jesus' congregation.
Colt
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The Urantia Book "rang true" to me from the first time I heard my dad read it out loud. We attended a Methodist church but dad was a closet reader of the UB.
As to why the Israelites rejected one of their own as either Messiah or Son of God, this explains the circumstances in part IMOP
JEWS AND GENTILES
121:7.1 By the times of Jesus the Jews had arrived at a settled concept of their origin, history, and destiny. They had built up a rigid wall of separation between themselves and the gentile world; they looked upon all gentile ways with utter contempt. They worshiped the letter of the law and indulged a form of self-righteousness based upon the false pride of descent. They had formed preconceived notions regarding the promised Messiah, and most of these expectations envisaged a Messiah who would come as a part of their national and racial history. To the Hebrews of those days Jewish theology was irrevocably settled, forever fixed.121:7.2 The teachings and practices of Jesus regarding tolerance and kindness ran counter to the long-standing attitude of the Jews toward other peoples whom they considered heathen. For generations the Jews had nourished an attitude toward the outside world which made it impossible for them to accept the Master's teachings about the spiritual brotherhood of man. They were unwilling to share Yahweh on equal terms with the gentiles and were likewise unwilling to accept as the Son of God one who taught such new and strange doctrines.
121:7.3 The scribes, the Pharisees, and the priesthood held the Jews in a terrible bondage of ritualism and legalism, a bondage far more real than that of the Roman political rule. The Jews of Jesus' time were not only held in subjugation to the law but were equally bound by the slavish demands of the traditions, which involved and invaded every domain of personal and social life. These minute regulations of conduct pursued and dominated every loyal Jew, and it is not strange that they promptly rejected one of their number who presumed to ignore their sacred traditions, and who dared to flout their long-honored regulations of social conduct. They could hardly regard with favor the teachings of one who did not hesitate to clash with dogmas which they regarded as having been ordained by Father Abraham himself. Moses had given them their law and they would not compromise. *
121:7.4 By the time of the first century after Christ the spoken interpretation of the law by the recognized teachers, the scribes, had become a higher authority than the written law itself. And all this made it easier for certain religious leaders of the Jews to array the people against the acceptance of a new gospel.
121:7.5 These circumstances rendered it impossible for the Jews to fulfill their divine destiny as messengers of the new gospel of religious freedom and spiritual liberty. They could not break the fetters of tradition. Jeremiah had told of the "law to be written in men's hearts," Ezekiel had spoken of a "new spirit to live in man's soul." and the Psalmist had prayed that God would "create a clean heart within and renew a right spirit." But when the Jewish religion of good works and slavery to law fell victim to the stagnation of traditionalistic inertia, the motion of religious evolution passed westward to the European peoples.
121:7.6 And so a different people were called upon to carry an advancing theology to the world, a system of teaching embodying the philosophy of the Greeks, the law of the Romans, the morality of the Hebrews, and the gospel of personality sanctity and spiritual liberty formulated by Paul and based on the teachings of Jesus.
121:7.7 Paul's cult of Christianity exhibited its morality as a Jewish birthmark. The Jews viewed history as the providence of God—Yahweh at work. The Greeks brought to the new teaching clearer concepts of the eternal life. Paul's doctrines were influenced in theology and philosophy not only by Jesus' teachings but also by Plato and Philo. In ethics he was inspired not only by Christ but also by the Stoics.
121:7.8 The gospel of Jesus, as it was embodied in Paul's cult of Antioch, Christianity, became blended with the following teachings:
121:7.12 The Mediterranean Roman Empire, the Parthian kingdom, and the adjacent peoples of Jesus' time all held crude and primitive ideas regarding the geography of the world, astronomy, health, and disease; and naturally they were amazed by the new and startling pronouncements of the carpenter of Nazareth. The ideas of spirit possession, good and bad, applied not merely to human beings, but every rock and tree was viewed by many as being spirit possessed. This was an enchanted age, and everybody believed in miracles as commonplace occurrences." UB 1955 no copyright.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
OK, thanks for clarifying that you don't believe in Jesus' Two Commandments and what Jesus said about his Church that he said he would not abandon. You also ignore the fact that Jesus gave the Apostles and their successors the power to make some changes as the world would not always stay the same.
Brian2
Veteran Member
They aren't teachings that Jesus would agree with but Jesus promised to be with the Church to the end of the age. The Church, not just a Church that taught nothing but the truth.
Along the way the enemy would come an sow weeds but Jesus would remain with the Church even with the weeds there and destructive teachings that some would being in.
The Watch Tower Society has changed it's teachings over the years btw and no doubt you think Jesus has been with it from the beginning.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Is it true that Jesus is good? If so then He is YHWH.
Is it true that Jesus is exactly like His Father? If so then He is YHWH because nobody is comparable to YHWH.
Knowledge is not important compared to love of course, if we love we know God and are His children.
rubi
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that is news
seekandfind
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There were more than 2 commandments. Those were the top 2. Dont put words in people's mouths or assume anything, it only makes you look foolish.
Jesus said he wouldnt abandom his followers. The churches only claimed to follow him while they werent- they abandoned Jesus.
seekandfind
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Do ypu really thing Jesus would back false worship?
seekandfind
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I get it. Jesus is your God. Even though he had a God?
Jesus taught his followers to pray "Our Father let your name be sanctified".
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I didn't put any words in your mouth, and it is not I who is being foolish here. You've clearly not studied any serious theology because you keep on making one mistake after another.
To put it another way, Matthew 7[3] Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Complete, unadulterated nonsense that turns Jesus into a liar by having him abandoning his promise.
So, maybe do some serious studying and also drop the childish arrogance, then maybe we can have a serious discussion.
Until then, ciao.
seekandfind
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I clearly said they abandoned him- he didnt abandon them. But if you need to leave....
Colt
Well-Known Member
John 6:42
They said, “Isn’t this Jesus, the son of Joseph? We know his father and mother. How can he say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
From birth the community knew Jesus as a regular person and they knew his parents. This conflicts with the addition of an unwed mother having an immaculate conception.
seekandfind
Member
How does it conflict? Joseph didnt publicize that it wasnt his.
Colt
Well-Known Member
In that age a women suddenly impregnated by God would stand out! Mary would have never doubted or questioned her son when he began his public teaching.
Joseph, "hey Mary, who's baby is that?"
Mary, God got me pregnant.
Joseph. "oh of course, want to get married"?
Who did Jesus look like? God or Joseph???
Mark 3:20-22
20 Then He came to a house in Capernaum, and a crowd formed again, so many people that Jesus and His disciples could not even eat a meal together. 21 When His own family heard this they went to take custody of Him; for they were saying, “He is out of His mind.”
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Brian2
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I don't believe that the pre human Jesus had a God. He had a Father but only had a God when He became a human. (see Psalm 22:10)
Jesus is not a servant in the house but a Son over the house.(Heb 3:6)
The pre human Jesus was not a servant. He was in the form of God, not an angel, and then took the form of a servant (Phil 2:7)
Yes we are to honor, respect and glorify God.