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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    Ruhi is a comparatively small problem. It is the meta-Ruhi that is the bigger problem, and it is the meta-Ruhi that is meant by "Institute Process". The Institute Process is the pseudoscience the UHJ created as a pointless abstraction of the Ruhi books, and now nearly any Baha'i gathering you...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    The reason the (Haifan) Covenant must be rejected is that belief in it results in Bahai communities unitedly doing the Institute Process, and the Institute Process destroys Bahai communities. The Institute Process is the reason there are no young people at Bahai activities today, and the reason...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    This is the line of reasoning that led me to start rejecting Haifan Baha'ism: The Institute Process was a failure -> The UHJ was working against the Baha'i community's interests by continuing to promote the Institute Process and give the Baha'i community false hope about its success ->...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    Here is Mirza Muhammad Ali's side of the story: https://historyofbahaifaith.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/a-lost-history-of-bahai-faith.pdf
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    It's just a descriptive term. Haifans resent being called Haifan Bahais, because the "Haifan" qualifier implies the existence of other kinds of Bahais, and Haifan Bahais want people to believe that there is only one kind of Bahai. I'm sorry to offend you and other Haifan Bahais, but I must use...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    This post should be shown to anyone who has been misled into thinking that Bahais are any more tolerant than other religions like Christianity or Islam. Because whereas there are some Methodists who might call Episcopalians their brothers in Christ, this post shows the universal attitude of all...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    It simply wasn't the convention to use such specific language all the time. The Arabic does not actually say "trustees of the House of Justice". Not that this is an incorrect translation, but the original Arabic uses simpler language that would be considered grammatically incorrect in English...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    Why? An institution does not have to be global in order to govern affairs. Kings are mentioned here and a kingdom is not a global institution. Here is the ChatGPT translation of this passage: "Ninth Illumination The religion and doctrine of God are purely about unity and concord among the...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    1) The phrase "new world order" appears in Haifan translations of Baha'u'llah's writings, but does not appear in the original of Baha'u'llah's writings. For example the Authorized Haifan translation of the Kitab i Aqdas says: "The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    This is not true. In the Haifan view, Bahais are not allowed to have certain interpretations of Baha'u'llah's writings. For example, they are not allowed to recognize Mirza Muhammad Ali as a legitimate successor. Simply stating this as one's view, without imposing it on others, would get one...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    Yes the Bahai Faith is failing because Bahais are not practicing their religion correctly.
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    I don't think a legitimate House of Justice exists in the world right now, because Baha'u'llah instructed the Houses of Justice to act as shepherds of God's flock, and take care of their community. But today no LSA makes an effort to look after the interests of their community, because the only...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    No he did not, because the UHJ is not mentioned in Baha'u'llah's writings. Because the UHJ is not endorsed by Baha'u'llah or mentioned in his writings.
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    What good is being united if they are going to die off? The overwhelming majority of Bahais are over 70 years old. No new converts, no children, and no one even young enough to have children. This is a sign that the religion is going to die. Are you ok with the Bahai Faith dying as long as the...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    This kind of thinking will end up destroying the Bahai Faith. When Dr Arbab launched his political coup of the UHJ, and started forcing the global Bahai community to do his Ruhi books and his Institute Process, many Bahais could see that this was going to be very bad for the Bahai community, but...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    So, unless we dig up this book by this obscure Ishraq Khavari scholar (and likely also transcribe/translate it from the original language), then all we know about this tablet is this short snippet that consists of two sentence fragments joined by ellipses (...). Is this correct? This incident...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    1) This is a collection of a bunch of extremely short excerpts provided without context 2) None of these quotes mention infallibility The one who wrote the most replies on behalf of Baha'u'llah was Baha'u'llah's amanuensis Khadimullah. Khadimullah was a Unitarian Baha'i. Do you believe...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    This does not mean anything. If someone says "pay your taxes to the mayor", this does not carry an implication of there being one mayor in the world. In the Tablet of the Auxiliary Language, Baha'u'llah says the Houses of Justice are supposed to decide the International Auxiliary Language, and...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    The word is البلاد which according to Wiktionary is plural. Either way, it doesn't make much difference. The Authorized translation makes it seem like the verse implies the House of Justice is a singular institution. This implication does not exist in the original Arabic, whether it is "land" or...
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    Baha'i groups discuss the Covenant of Baha'u'llah

    That is an egregiously bad translation. See it side by side with the Earl Elder translation and the original Arabic, paragraph 42: https://www.hgworld.org/ctw/index.php?title=Kitab-i-Aqdas/Template&offset=40 The simplest way for the lay person to see just how bad this translation is is to try...
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