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Then I feel it would be fair to guess/assume that Christianity is also not exactly a religion of Peace, based on that logic?
Friends,
If someone is misunderstood the onus lies on the person to clear it!
There is nothing as good or bad they are all perceptions of the human mind.
Love & rgds
I will say this again,
When one deals in subjective matters, personal opinions, or an induvidual perspective; they create "personal truths". To take personal truths as fact and apply them to all, is what would be considered by Dualists as "wrong"....
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I would like to know where he got his version from...
Christianity is not billed as "the religion of peace" by many of its followers however.
well i guess you could say Christians are not historically peaceful but the difference is this.
Is there a dispensation for violence in Christianity? even in self defense?
The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Roman Catholic Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire. The specific crusades to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291.
Would you care to outline what you perceive to be the official dispensation in Islam in regard to war/violence and defense?The Inquisition, was the "fight against heretics" by several institutions within the justice-system of the Roman Catholic Church. It started in the 12th century, with the introduction of torture in the persecution of heresy. Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy.
It's not a religious war. What is described in the Ayah is called self-defense, it's called fighting against oppression and injustice. "Fight against those who fight you"!! How terrible!! Or do you suggest "send roses to those who fight you"?!!
Well an eye for an eye in this case would be drawing cartoons similarly.seems like this is a justification to retaliate when one gets their feelings hurt, like the depiction of mohammed in a cartoon...
this eye for an eye thang...is just gonna make all those that adhere to this silly childish nonsense... blind
Well an eye for an eye in this case would be drawing cartoons similarly.
There is a difference between hurting someone's feelings and:
"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah" Qur'an
"And why should you not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Yourside one who will protect; and raise for us from Yourside one who will help!'" Qur'an
Well an eye for an eye in this case would be drawing cartoons similarly.
There is a difference between hurting someone's feelings and:
"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah" Qur'an
"And why should you not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Yourside one who will protect; and raise for us from Yourside one who will help!'" Qur'an
I still would like to know why Islam hates dogs and cats. Is this a misconception or is it something Islam wants people not to know if they can help it. Dogs and cats were domesticated long before any religion was ever dreamed up by humans.
Sadly..........
I know plenty of Christian folks who espouse 'eye for an eye' over 'turn the other cheek', and would much rather retaliate on the micro and macro scale than finding a more peaceable means.
I'm not saying this is 'all' or 'official' but norms and mores, as we know through out many religions often takes precedence... including Christianity and Islam.
On both sides of the religions discussed here, I think what is 'offensive and defensive' is in the eye of the beholder.
So while there aren't specific verses ascribing violence in the New Testament, I think the 'official' action is pretty open ended and the 'fishers of men' can pretty much do whatever it takes to 'do right' by God, and things like 'cutting down vines that don't bear fruit' could easily be put to use in justification.
.....Also who needs an official dispensation anyway when there is youtube
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YouTube - ‪The Crusade against Iraqi Muslims‬‏
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YouTube - ‪onward christian soldiers‬‏
I realized 'marching AS to war' is just a metaphor.....
But then again.... jihad has more than one meaning that doesn't get brought up often enough.
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YouTube - ‪Battle Hymn of the Republic (Christian Soldiers Tribute)‬‏
On a historical note: While these are 'old news' I feel they are reoccurring themes that happen on different levels, from how history is told and pitched, to the street corners and chapels where 'Real' Christians tell others the 'Truth'.
Would you care to outline what you perceive to be the official dispensation in Islam in regard to war/violence and defense?
I'm not going to pretend like I'm naive to the controversy surrounding verses in the Quran, but I'd like to hear your favourites or where ever you feel they are set in stone.
Not trying to fight buddy Thanks for talking with me.
SageTree
In my opinion Christianity and Islam are failures, they have failed to influence humanity enough , Oh i know people will say "but look at this and look at that" religion became a tool of the power mongers, and all the evidence left on the ground from Empires and Golden ages is from people using their religion to suit their aspirations
In my opinion Christianity and Islam are failures, they have failed to influence humanity enough ,
How can someone be "influenced by Islam" (?) if he doesn't follow it? Who is the active element here? It's us. We are the ones who follow or not. That's why it's called free will. Does being called "Muslim"/accepting Islam mean you will be programmed to be/do this and that?!!its what leads me to conclude that Christianity and Islam haven't influenced people half as much as people think they have.
I agree. If jihad is not an aggressive ideology, why did the Almohad dynasty occupy Southern Spain which was originally a Christian Empire?
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I suppose they aren't true Muslims?
I think what it means to be a Muslim or a Christian or an atheist or a dude or whatever has always been and will allways be contested.
Everything is always changing. I think each of us comes to these things and makes them our own. Some people come to Islam or atheism for internal reasons, some for political. It then becomes like comparing apples with rocks.
For what it's worth I don't think they are true muslims.
No more than the Westboro Baptists are true Christians.
For us there is only subjectivity. So there can never be a 'true' anything.