11 year old girl facing death penalty for "blasphemy"

[Jayhawker Soule]

What Muslims across the world fail to realize ...

You now posture as the expert of what Muslim's across the world realize? What a pathetic, bigotted joke!

 

[Mr. Skittles]

You now posture as the expert of what Muslim's across the world realize? What a pathetic, bigotted joke!

So are you remarks...But anyway....

I am not an authority, notice I said across the world (now you didn't realize that) I was referring to those who have illogical notions of religious justice

 

[idav]

Ok fine but you cannot expect people to understand that.

That may be, people might not even know their own religion and it isn't very easy to find out in some of those countries you named. They end up having to trust their leaders just like us. I would still hesitate to call Islam a religion of peace with the way their theocracies turn out.

 

[paarsurrey]

If that is true where are the demonstrations and legion of clerics to tell these people that this is unislamic? I'll read my local newspaper for the answer.

Due to the fear of the extremists.

 

[waitasec]

No we are not talking about homosexuals here stay the course. All the aforementioned countries I listened why are they sentencing people to death for defiling the Koran?

well if you refuse to see that the principle of the situation is how religion in ALL regions affect people
then keep tootin' your biased horn

 

[jasonwill2]

Due to the fear of the extremists.

At that, it's the law. Mr. Skittles should take note that after this a mob went and burnt down some houses.

On another note, 2-4 years ago a Christian woman was wrongly accused of breaking this law, and there WERE protests.

 

[Mr. Skittles]

Due to the fear of the extremists.

Yea and MLK was fearful when white extremist were hanging blacks and Japanese were.in.concentration camps sorry.

 

[Mr. Skittles]

well if you refuse to see that the principle of the situation is how religion in ALL regions affect people
then keep tootin' your biased horn

In my book your known for avoiding things so ok.

 

[Alceste]

Like college. We go to college and expand our minds by taking various courses, majors, etc and whatever we learn we apply that in the world yes? Most of our knowledge from college is an extension of the real world. Now, when I see religion the knowledge of religion as expressed today is merely an extension of what was taught before. Even if Islam can boast 1 billion strong, that is not to say Islam is so peaceful that it just attracts people (in my understanding if children in Muslim homes are born, they too are Muslim based on the religion per household). All it takes are 1 million who hate all things western, or hate those who are jewish, or who have political ambitions to make other subscribe to the tenants of Islam. With a combination of the aforementioned attributes, if you put that into a volatile situation like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Hezbollah, you'll have what you see on CNN or the BBC, or Fox or whatever.

When I see an 11 year old mentally disabled child being sent to death I am sick. Even if this isn't Islamic immediately from the Muslim community there should be a condemnation by so-called moderates. Where are they? What about Saudi Arabia home to Muhammad the prophet? Or the American Muslim society? When I turn on my neutral news stations I see no protest, no clerics condemning them.

In my opinion they are afraid to chastise their own for fear of being categorized as "sleeping with the enemy" that being western civilization. Alas people are reflections of their faith. I can read a book all day but if the people I see don't reflect what is said in the book how can I conclude Islam is a faith of peace?

Thanks for replying, I think. :areyoucra

Here's how I see it: The US invaded Iraq, and some of the Iraqis decided to defend their territory.

I can't imagine any other country in the world responding to an invasion in any other way, with or without religion. I'm always surprised when Americans frame their invading soldiers who were killed in action as "victims of Islamic terrorism." It's ... well, it's crazy. sorry.

 

[waitasec]

In my book your known for avoiding things so ok.

what ever makes you feel better

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What Muslims across the world fail to realize is that the words in the Qur'an are words, these books made of earthly material will fade away.

You now posture as the expert of what Muslim's across the world realize? What a pathetic, bigotted joke!

I am not an authority, notice I said across the world (now you didn't realize that) I was referring to those who have illogical notions of religious justice

'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'

'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.

'Ah, you should see 'em come round me of a Saturday night,' Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side, 'for to get their wages, you know.'



​

 

[Kerr]

Sure but they account for a small population. I am sorry I don't do apologist. I am at a point where I need to see protest not blogs or people commenting on a religious website. I am sorry but Christians (some Christians) are at least privy to critiquing their faith but Muslims cannot excuse me will not critique their faith nor their bretheren.

What convinces me is I need to see protest. I need to see Muslim students in America to force media coverage on their condemnation and their disassociation with these Muslims.

I wouldnt dismiss the Muslims on RF. They matter just as much as any Muslim who would go to the streets. Unless of course you assume they they are secretly supporters of executing 11 year old girls but dont want to show it.

An interesting statistic about this thread. Several Muslims in this thread has argued against this, even showing that its against the Quran. Not a single one has defended it. If Muslims are so bad, why have no one defended it here? Or are the Muslims on RF somehow an exception?

 

[jasonwill2]

Thanks for replying, I think. :areyoucra

Here's how I see it: The US invaded Iraq, and some of the Iraqis decided to defend their territory.

I can't imagine any other country in the world responding to an invasion in any other way, with or without religion. I'm always surprised when Americans frame their invading soldiers who were killed in action as "victims of Islamic terrorism." It's ... well, it's crazy. sorry.

The death count of the Iraqis is over 12 times higher than the death count of Americans. "Oh no! An American soldier died! *forgets a split second later that 30 Iraqi civilians died in the same attack* "

 

[Mr. Skittles]

'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'

'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.

'Ah, you should see 'em come round me of a Saturday night,' Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side, 'for to get their wages, you know.'



​

Like Muslims at my college your also known for playing duck, duck, goose...

 

[Mr. Skittles]

I wouldnt dismiss the Muslims on RF. They matter just as much as any Muslim who would go to the streets. Unless of course you assume they they are secretly supporters of executing 11 year old girls but dont want to show it.

An interesting statistic about this thread. Several Muslims in this thread has argued against this, even showing that its against the Quran. Not a single one has defended it. If Muslims are so bad, why have no one defended it here? Or are the Muslims on RF somehow an exception?

I don't dismiss none of the Muslims on RF I dismiss any Muslim community that is silent on this issue point blank

 

[Mr. Skittles]

what ever makes you feel better

Ok well winning the mega million would

 

[Bismillah]

I don't dismiss none of the Muslims on RF I dismiss any Muslim community that is silent on this issue point blank

A large portion of Pakistanis have condemned this move as have various religious, political, and social leaders. The President has ordered a probe for the arrest of the girl and the police took the girl and her family to protect her from an unruly and unpredicatable mob which had already attacked them and burned down houses

Police officials said the girl was arrested to protect her and her family from the threat of violence after a crowd of several hundred angry Muslims gathered outside her home in Mehrabad on the outskirts of Islamabad. Some members of the town’s Christian minority fled fearing violence.

"“Sending an 11 year old girl to prison is against the very spirit of Islam which is all about being Just and Compassionate. [The] poor child is already suffering from Down syndrome. [The] state should care for its children not torment them. We demand her immediate release,” he said." ~ Imran Khan Pakistani hopeful and leader of the PTI.

 

[paarsurrey]

I wouldnt dismiss the Muslims on RF. They matter just as much as any Muslim who would go to the streets. Unless of course you assume they they are secretly supporters of executing 11 year old girls but dont want to show it.

An interesting statistic about this thread. Several Muslims in this thread has argued against this, even showing that its against the Quran. Not a single one has defended it. If Muslims are so bad, why have no one defended it here? Or are the Muslims on RF somehow an exception?

Simply there is no teaching in Quran to hurt an innocent.

 

[Looncall]

A large portion of Pakistanis have condemned this move as have various religious, political, and social leaders. The President has ordered a probe for the arrest of the girl and the police took the girl and her family to protect her from an unruly and unpredicatable mob which had already attacked them and burned down houses



"“Sending an 11 year old girl to prison is against the very spirit of Islam which is all about being Just and Compassionate. [The] poor child is already suffering from Down syndrome. [The] state should care for its children not torment them. We demand her immediate release,” he said." ~ Imran Khan Pakistani hopeful and leader of the PTI.

I am very glad to hear of these things. it is heartening that at least the elites there are decent.

BUT

What about the mob and other mobs like them? Why do they arise and why are they so often set on by clerics? Why are all these people immune to the messages of peace and compassion we keep being told about?

What about the pervasive oppression of anyone who does not kowtow to the local dominant brand of islam, such as one sees in the sectarian violence in many places? Is it only children who find compassion?

 

[tumbleweed41]

MOD POST

All posters, keep Rule 3 in mind before posting.

3. Trolling and Bullying
We recognize three areas of unacceptable trolling (Please note that these apply to PMs, signature lines, frubal comments, and visitor messages as well, if they are reported):
1)posts that are deliberately inflammatory in order to provoke a vehement response from other users.
2)posts that Target a person or group by following them around the forums to attack them. This is Bullying. Deliberately altering the words of another member by intentionally changing the meaning when you use the quote feature is considered a form of bullying. The ONLY acceptable alteration of a quotation from another member is to remove portions that are not relevant or to alter formatting for emphasis.
3)posts that are adjudged to fit the following profile: "While questioning and challenging other beliefs is appropriate in the debates forums, repeated blatant misrepresentation or continual harassment of other beliefs will not be tolerated."
​