11 year old girl facing death penalty for "blasphemy"

[MoonWater]

i see what you mean.

i am of the opinion that religion means justification. it doesn't matter if it's not the right way of interpreting the religion because ultimately, the interpretation of ones religion is subjected to the individuals understanding of it.

yes, but that only works in the sense that the individual is using it as a justification. That does not give cause for everyone to blame the entire religion and call the whole thing violent and evil because of one person's individual understanding.

 

[Looncall]

The issue isn't so much whether religion in general inevitably produces these kinds of results, but that a certain strain of absolutist thinking in religions enables people, regardless of their interpretations being correct or not, to believe with total conviction that God shares their opinions. They are absolutely justified in their actions because they alone possess "Truth" and everyone else is in the wrong.

This arrogance is a more fundamental tendency in humankind than more sophisticated religious conceptions are and it infuses people under certain conditions with an absolute certitude in their own self-righteousness. They cannot be convinced otherwise because their minds have been closed and shackled by dogma. The solution isn't to blame religion in general, but to promote more education so that people can learn how to think critically, especially about their own religious preconceptions.

Yes, indeed, but how can one deal with a religion that claims to be the last word on everything? How can that fail to lead to intolerance, hatred and violence?

 

[no-body]

Except these "same type of brainless animals" exist outside religion too.

Fundamentalism of any type is bad. There is just more potential for abuse in religion.

 

[JohnLeo]

Girl, 11, Could Face Death in Pakistan for 'Blasphemy' - Yahoo! News

What aspect of a culture would bring it to the point of demanding the death of a child?

Just the sort of thing you'd expect...............form uncivilized barbarians.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, indeed, but how can one deal with a religion that claims to be the last word on everything?

Perhaps start by not making unsubstantiated and agenda driven claims.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why is it that in every other instance when something like this happens people will blame bigotry, ignorance, greed, psychology, mental health, upbringing, and a whole host of other issues to explain why people are acting as they are but the instant a connection can be drawn between the perpetrator(s) and islam or the perpetrator(s) and any religion all of that is immediately thrown out the window and people start saying it's all because of their religion.

It's the same kind of mentality that tries to blame Doom for Columbine, or blame violent movies for Aurora..

Those who want this girl dead claim that it's the law of their religion. The Columbine shooters never claimed that they did what they did because of doom.

How can you people, with a strait face, claim that the desire to murder someone (a child, no less) for burning a religious book has nothing to do with religion? Let's be honest, please. You people trip over yourselves to push this untenable idea of unconditional respect and tolerance for all (even for those who would never reciprocate it) that you though reason out the window.

 

[waitasec]

yes, but that only works in the sense that the individual is using it as a justification.

right. how else would people explain executing an 11 yr old girl.

That does not give cause for everyone to blame the entire religion and call the whole thing violent and evil because of one person's individual understanding.

religion is at the mercy of ones interpretation of it.
most people know executing an 11 yr old girl is off and no one needs religion to understand that but it takes ones personal interpretation of their religion to understand that executing an 11 yr old girl is justified.

 

[JohnLeo]

brainwashing within primitive barbaric people who cannot control their theism in any way shape or form to benifit society

this only shows we have not evolved beyond animals

I think that's very insulting to the animal kingdom. Animals never act out of malice or engage in evildoing; only humans do that.

 

[MoonWater]

Fundamentalism of any type is bad. There is just more potential for abuse in religion.

Only because it has more adherents and most everyone in a position of power adheres to a religion

If secular philosophies came to overshadow religious philosophies you would see just as much "potential for abuse" as you do now. Utilitarianism, Nihilism,... I could easily twist those philosophies to justify something atrocious.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Those who want this girl dead claim that it's the law of their religion.

And those Muslims who don't claim the opposite. And you choose to focus on the former. Why do you think that is the case?

 

[MoonWater]

Those who want this girl dead claim that it's the law of their religion. The Columbine shooters never claimed that they did what they did because of doom.

How can you people, with a strait face, claim that the desire to murder someone (a child, no less) for burning a religious book has nothing to do with religion? Let's be honest, please. You people trip over yourselves to push this untenable idea of unconditional respect and tolerance for all (even for those who would never reciprocate it) that you though reason out the window.

It's not the law of their religion as has been pointed out to you. And we are not saying it has "nothing" to do with religion just that the religion can't be held responsible for the actions of these people and that we shouldn't use the actions of these people to paint the entirety of Islam as hateful and intolerant.

 

[Father Heathen]

Okay, so Islam in and of itself isn't to blame, and such actions don't reflect all muslims, nor is such actions exclusive to muslims. However, such actions do seem to be far more common in Muslim cultures and societies. Can we at least be honest about that?

 

[Father Heathen]

And those Muslims who don't claim the opposite. And you choose to focus on the former. Why do you think that is the case?

Of course such actions and attitudes don't reflect all muslims, nor are such actions and attitudes exclusive to muslims, but they do seem to be more common in muslim societies. Call me an "islamophobe" if you will, but I'm merely making observations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, so Islam in and of itself isn't to blame, and such actions don't reflect all muslims, nor is such actions exclusive to muslims. However, such actions do seem to be far more common in Muslim cultures and societies. Can we at least be honest about that?

Islam & a violent backward society seem to create bad synergy.

 

[no-body]

Only because it has more adherents and most everyone in a position of power adheres to a religion

If secular philosophies came to overshadow religious philosophies you would see just as much "potential for abuse" as you do now. Utilitarianism, Nihilism,... I could easily twist those philosophies to justify something atrocious.

Sure but those philosophies don't have the history and power that religion do.

 

[waitasec]

It's not the law of their religion as has been pointed out to you. And we are not saying it has "nothing" to do with religion just that the religion can't be held responsible for the actions of these people and that we shouldn't use the actions of these people to paint the entirety of Islam as hateful and intolerant.

religion is powerful tool, much like a loaded gun
it is up to the individual to shoot bullets of hate or love.

 

[fallingblood]

It clearly worked out, after that whole spiel Christianity took over the world with an iron grip. It even had a firm grasp before that.

What motivation is there to miss besides killing off an entire culture of people so that one's own culture and religious inspirations can thrive?

Is there some type of more sincere motive you believe is at hand here? Please, favor me with it.

I think your historical knowledge is somewhat lacking. Christianity has never took over the world with an iron grip. In fact, it really has never taken a hold of much of Asia, or parts of Africa and South America.

As for motivation, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with defining us vs them.

 

[waitasec]

Sure but those philosophies don't have the history and power that religion do.

indeed!!!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Islam & a violent backward society seem to create bad synergy.

Extremism and backward society create bad synergy.

 

[waitasec]

I think your historical knowledge is somewhat lacking. Christianity has never took over the world with an iron grip. In fact, it really has never taken a hold of much of Asia, or parts of Africa and South America.

As for motivation, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with defining us vs them.

:yes:
and of course, the "us" are justified