150 rockets fired at Israel after IDF assassinates Gaza terror leader

[Lyndon]

I think you might be confusing genocide with ethnic cleansing.

 

[Flankerl]

Israel has a record of removing the human rights of Palestinian people and forcefully expelling them from their homes.
SOURCES: World Report 2019: Rights Trends in Israel and Palestine
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia

This is attempting genocide against the Palestinian people.

Oh so now it's only attempted genocide. Well isn't this a fun turn of events.

Okay now explain to me why I should care about HRW? You do realise that HRW is in the pockets of the Arab countries right? That they get lot's of donations from these countries?

I also searched the page for the term "genocide" and could not locate it.


And the Palestinian exodus? People tend to get displaced during times of war.
A few years earlier 12 million Germans lost their homes because of it and yet they don't try to start a war with Poland or the Czech Republic to reclaim these territories.

Meanwhile the Arabs themselves displaced their own Jews with a slightly bigger number than Arabs that were displaced.
With of course the difference that these Jews lived from Morocco to Yemen and had absolutely nothing to do with the war.
Yet they were killed, abducted, had their property stolen from them and finally displaced.

So how do I say this without coming of harsh: Stop whining.
You want to know why no left-leaning Government comes into power in Israel?
It's because the Mizrahim (you know, those "brown" good Jews, contrary to the "white" bad Jews) hate the Arabs so much that they vote almost exclusively right-wing.
It's almost as if they dislike the Arabs for treating them bad or something.
It's a real mystery how they don't unite with their fellow "brown" people to push the invading "white" people into the sea.

Or it's a Twitter account that posted the tweet before all the facts came out.

Again, stop jerking your knee.

And of course you are okay with their lying.

So this happened
- Rocket hits building
- AI immediately condemns Israel for the attack
- it comes out that it actually wasn't Israel that attacked the building
- AI calls for an investigation


Why thy hypocrisy? Why didn't they immediately condemn the Islamic Jihad for this attack?
The best part about this is that you are still on their side and don't speak out against their obvious bias.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I didn't claim that you said that Palestine is the only one who suffers. Israel has money, true. And yet terrorists in Gaza find the money to buy rockets and other weapons (apparently, the rockets fired yesterday cost upwards of $6,000,000) and fire them at Israeli civilians.

How many civilian died?

 

[rosends]

accurate like the ridiculous claim that the home made rockets cost 6 miilion dollars??

I wrote "apparently" but I'm also not claiming to be a source for news. I am currently doing some research on the costs. The baseline is close to 400,000 dollars but I don't have all the number in yet.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Oh so now it's only attempted genocide. Well isn't this a fun turn of events.

I assure you, this is absolutely no fun whatsoever.

Okay now explain to me why I should care about HRW? You do realise that HRW is in the pockets of the Arab countries right? That they get lot's of donations from these countries?

Claim whatever you like.

I also searched the page for the term "genocide" and could not locate it.

You realize that genocide isn't a singular thing, right? It's not like there's a "genocide gun" that when you pull the trigger: "Boom! Instant genocide!" and then you can point to that and say "Look! They used genocide!"

Genocide is the attempted destruction, in whole or in part, of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group through, among other things, direct harm against members of that group, the removal of rights from that group, deliberately inflicting difficult living conditions upon that group or imposing restrictions intended to make living more difficult for that group.

A government targeting a specific ethnic/religious/national group for removal of rights, eviction, denial of service and travel restrictions fits the legal definition of genocide according to the UN.
SOURCE: https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

And the Palestinian exodus? People tend to get displaced during times of war.

A specific race targeted for displacement.

I.E genocide.

A few years earlier 12 million Germans lost their homes because of it and yet they don't try to start a war with Poland or the Czech Republic to reclaim these territories.

Nobody is claiming any kind of war or retaliation is justified. I'm just pointing out that Israel has committed and is committing genocide.

Meanwhile the Arabs themselves displaced their own Jews with a slightly bigger number than Arabs that were displaced.
With of course the difference that these Jews lived from Morocco to Yemen and had absolutely nothing to do with the war.
Yet they were killed, abducted, had their property stolen from them and finally displaced.

Again, nobody is justifying any specific atrocity. I just want you to acknowledge Israel's.

Also, do you have any sources?

So how do I say this without coming of harsh: Stop whining.

So, to you, acknowledging genocide is whining?

Except, of course, when it's "whining" about Palestine, right? I see you don't think the OP is "whining".

And of course you are okay with their lying.

Knee. Jerk. Stop.

There's a difference between "lying" and "sending out a Tweet based on limited facts". We don't know who Tweeted that or what information they were privy to prior to Tweeting it. Alleging it was deliberate dishonesty is obviously completely unfounded.

So this happened
- Rocket hits building
- AI immediately condemns Israel for the attack
- it comes out that it actually wasn't Israel that attacked the building
- AI calls for an investigation

Except you have no idea what their sources were.

Calm down already and stop "whining".

Why thy hypocrisy? Why didn't they immediately condemn the Islamic Jihad for this attack?

I have no idea. Maybe their source told them it was an Israeli rocket.

Stop whining.

The best part about this is that you are still on their side and don't speak out against their obvious bias.

Or maybe I'm just not convinced a global organization dedicated to human rights deliberately put out a knowingly false Tweet only to completely undermine said Tweet hours later when more information becomes available.

Again; calm down. Stop whining. People make mistakes. Twitter is not the right place to go to for accurate and thorough reportage.

I shouldn't have to point this out.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hamas has pretty much done nothing in this whole ordeal.

Islamic Jihad got their Commander of Northern Gaza killed and then showered Israel with rockets.
Then Israel retaliated and you began to whine about Israel's retaliation.


Nothing you do is in any way new. You are just another anti-Israel poster who claims to have no problem with Israeli civilians or Jews. Yet you have a problem with Israel defending its citizens.

Mostly i am against America support of Israel yes

 

[rosends]

How many civilian died?

Does that matter? What is the threshhold which makes it worth caring about?

 

[Lyndon]

I wrote "apparently" but I'm also not claiming to be a source for news. I am currently doing some research on the costs. The baseline is close to 400,000 dollars but I don't have all the number in yet.

I'm guessing closer to $500 for one of those crappy, underpowered missiles.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Does that matter? What is the threshhold which makes it worth caring about?

It matter when Israel airstrik of my friends in Palestine dies yes

 

[Lyndon]

Does that matter? What is the threshhold which makes it worth caring about?

That's what so wrong with this situation, people just don't care how many people die, their lives are nothing to them.

 

[rosends]

I'm guessing closer to $500 for one of those crappy, underpowered missiles.

The Qassam's (the cheapest of the cheap) are in the $800 range. They, though, would not be able to travel as far as rockets have been traveling, so the Katyushas seem to be in play and they, in 10 year old numbers, cost up to $2000. But I sense that there are the Palestinian equivalent of the Fajr-5's being used. I'm trying to get a price on those.

 

[Lyndon]

Its pretty easy to tell the difference between a huge Israeli missile going off, and a Palestinian bottle rocket with 5 or 10 lbs of explosive.

 

[rosends]

It matter when Israel airstrik of my friends in Palestine dies yes

So enough Israelis have to die for you to care about attacks on civilians?
The initial airstrike which killed Baha Abu al-Ata kileld 4 others. So 4 civilians would need to be killed in Israel before you start caring?

 

[rosends]

Its pretty easy to tell the difference between a huge Israeli missile going off, and a Palestinian bottle rocket with 5 or 10 lbs of explosive.

Not to someone hit by either one.

 

[Lyndon]

The Qassam's (the cheapest of the cheap) are in the $800 range. They, though, would not be able to travel as far as rockets have been traveling, so the Katyushas seem to be in play and they, in 10 year old numbers, cost up to $2000. But I sense that there are the Palestinian equivalent of the Fajr-5's being used. I'm trying to get a price on those.

So 150 missiles, how the heck did someone come up with 6 miilion dollar cost??

 

[rosends]

So 150 missiles, how the heck did someone come up with 6 miilion dollar cost??

Apparently he had read about a cost approaching 10,000. I have asked him for clarification and a source and won't disseminate the claim in the future without more information. His statement was "I read that each rocket costs between $10,000-$100,000. At the rate they’ve been firing and using the higher price in that range, the math more or less works." He has yet to provide his source and is being taken to task for posting what he posted. I regret reposting his claim without investigating first.

 

[Shad]

The Nazis were voted into power in 1932 not 1934

The Nazis didn't form a government. Hindenburg did.

 

[Shad]

Apparently he had read about a cost approaching 10,000. I have asked him for clarification and a source and won't disseminate the claim in the future without more information. His statement was "I read that each rocket costs between $10,000-$100,000. At the rate they’ve been firing and using the higher price in that range, the math more or less works." He has yet to provide his source and is being taken to task for posting what he posted. I regret reposting his claim without investigating first.

That is most likely the cost of purchase from manufacturing or distribution source in USD. Hamas does not legally purchase from manufactures nor distributors. Hamas is supplied via the black market and foreign nations. In the case of the latter Hamas may have not paid anything. A lot of nations provide weapons for nothing like the US did in the Afghan-Soviet War

 

[Flankerl]

Claim whatever you like.

It's even on wikipedia.

You realize that genocide isn't a singular thing, right? It's not like there's a "genocide gun" that when you pull the trigger: "Boom! Instant genocide!" and then you can point to that and say "Look! They used genocide!"

Genocide is the attempted destruction, in whole or in part, of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group through, among other things, direct harm against members of that group, the removal of rights from that group, deliberately inflicting difficult living conditions upon that group or imposing restrictions intended to make living more difficult for that group.

A government targeting a specific ethnic/religious/national group for removal of rights, eviction, denial of service and travel restrictions fits the legal definition of genocide according to the UN.
SOURCE: https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

So what you are saying is that the Israeli Government genocides its own people.

Because Israeli citizens aren't allowed as per Israeli law to enter Area A of Judea and Samaria.
This directly hinders Jews from visiting or living in cities like Shechem (home of the Jewish site of Yosef's tomb) or Yericho (home to the ruins of the Hasmonean Winter Palaces).

This lax interpretation of the word genocide also turns most of the 3rd world into genocidal countries.
Yet you never hear about it when it's about these areas.

A specific race targeted for displacement.

I.E genocide.

Again, nobody is justifying any specific atrocity. I just want you to acknowledge Israel's.

Also, do you have any sources?

The question alone is so incredibly insulting.

Here have fun

You'll probably find lot's of ways to discredit the most minor fact.

So, to you, acknowledging genocide is whining?

Except, of course, when it's "whining" about Palestine, right? I see you don't think the OP is "whining".

The liberal use of the word genocide diminishes actual genocides.
Which is of course the reason for doing so in the first place.

I still remember all that outrage when the Sudanese Arabs massacred the Sudanese blacks town after town. All that outrage from all the Arab countries and everyday Arabs was really deafening.

Knee. Jerk. Stop.

There's a difference between "lying" and "sending out a Tweet based on limited facts". We don't know who Tweeted that or what information they were privy to prior to Tweeting it. Alleging it was deliberate dishonesty is obviously completely unfounded.

Except you have no idea what their sources were.

Calm down already and stop "whining".

I have no idea. Maybe their source told them it was an Israeli rocket.

Stop whining.

Or maybe I'm just not convinced a global organization dedicated to human rights deliberately put out a knowingly false Tweet only to completely undermine said Tweet hours later when more information becomes available.

Again; calm down. Stop whining. People make mistakes. Twitter is not the right place to go to for accurate and thorough reportage.

I shouldn't have to point this out.

In case you are wondering, this is why Israelis do not care what people like you think.

You don't even see the blatant hypocrisy.
They needed no evidence whatsoever to claim that it was Israel's fault and suddenly need evidence when its apparent that it wasn't Israel's fault.

They could've easily written that the building was struck and that it was still unclear who the perpetrator is.
They decided against that and claimed something wrong.

And that is just typical. Now the claim is out into the world and in a few years it will be brought back to denounce Israel.
Because that's how the world is.

Out of curiosity since you talk about how we don't denounce the OP enough, when are you going to denounce Lyndon's lies about the so called "Palestinian Bottle Rockets"?
Any day now?

Mostly i am against America support of Israel yes

So I take it you are against the American support of Egypt too.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's even on wikipedia.

Practically any organization (or even individual) who says anything negative about Israel is accused of anti-Israel bias.

Case in point: your accusations in this thread.

So what you are saying is that the Israeli Government genocides its own people.

No. It commits genocide against Palestinians.

Because Israeli citizens aren't allowed as per Israeli law to enter Area A of Judea and Samaria.
This directly hinders Jews from visiting or living in cities like Shechem (home of the Jewish site of Yosef's tomb) or Yericho (home to the ruins of the Hasmonean Winter Palaces).

Re-read the definition of genocide I provided.

This lax interpretation of the word genocide also turns most of the 3rd world into genocidal countries.
Yet you never hear about it when it's about these areas.

The definition isn't lax. Your misreading of it is. Read it again, carefully.

The question alone is so incredibly insulting.

I'm sorry you find it insulting to be asked for sources for your claims.

Perhaps you imagine your position is unassailable and that nobody would ever want to know more about something you've alluded to. But, no, you're right. You're above all that. I mean, it's not like you're desperately seeking offense to justify the baseless accusations you've made against posters on these forums.

Here have fun

You'll probably find lot's of ways to discredit the most minor fact.

I have no interest in discrediting anything. I just want more information.

Your insinuations are unnecessary and childish.

The liberal use of the word genocide diminishes actual genocides.
Which is of course the reason for doing so in the first place.

Nope. I used the UN's definition of genocide.

If you don't like it, or think that the systematic attempt to remove a race/nationality/religion of people from earth isn't genocide, take it up with the UN.

If you prefer, I can use the term "human rights abuses for the purposes of the removal, denigration and dehumanization of a particular group"?

In case you are wondering, this is why Israelis do not care what people like you think.

"People like me"?

You don't even know me. Get down off your horse.

You don't even see the blatant hypocrisy.
They needed no evidence whatsoever to claim that it was Israel's fault and suddenly need evidence when its apparent that it wasn't Israel's fault.

When have I ever said that they never needed evidence? Where is the hypocrisy? Where have I defended AI beyond giving them the benefit of the doubt that it may not have been a deliberate lie rather than a case of misinformation?

Why do not even acknowledge that possibility?

They could've easily written that the building was struck and that it was still unclear who the perpetrator is.

They could have, but if the source they had told them it was Israel, why would they do that?

They decided against that and claimed something wrong.

For reasons that you don't know yet. Stop whining.

And that is just typical. Now the claim is out into the world and in a few years it will be brought back to denounce Israel.
Because that's how the world is.

Because, as we all known, Israel has no allies anywhere who will defend it against any and all criticism and their entire government will collapse from a single tweet...

....

... Or maybe you're just being ridiculous.

Out of curiosity since you talk about how we don't denounce the OP enough,

That's a lie. I've never once said we should "denounce the OP". I pointed out that the posts that followed were a direct result of OTHER POSTS made by the OP relating to Palestine/Israel.

when are you going to denounce Lyndon's lies about the so called "Palestinian Bottle Rockets"?

Great argument. People shouldn't be allowed to point out inaccurate statements unless they point out every single inaccurate statement everybody makes ever.

Here's a reasonable assumption: I'm not reading Lyndon's posts and have no information regarding the quality of Palestine's rockets to address them with.