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150 rockets fired at Israel after IDF assassinates Gaza terror leader

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
But that's missing my point.

Global population numbers DO NOT indicate that a particular government or organization isn't enacting genocide.
I think that it's a very strong indicator that your definition of genocide is overly broad, weak, and self-serving.

The Jewish population dropped by over a third during the Nazi campaign of genocide. Referring to the Israeli war of self defense as genocide puts it into a category more like the USA blasting Japan in the 40s than the German extermination plan.

Do you not acknowledge that it is possible for a country to carry out an effort to remove a particular group or population, but for the total number of that population worldwide to still increase?
Yes, but that's not what's going on here. The population of Palestinians is skyrocketing in Gaza and the left bank. There is no genocide going on there.

Do you not understand that?
Do you not understand that your definition of genocide is designed to accuse Israel, but leave out Hamas and other Muslim governments that have sworn enmity against the Israeli people? Genocide is written into Hamas's charter!

Also, you earlier accused me of calling Israeli efforts to defend themselves "genocide". This is not something I ever did. Could you please acknowledge that?
That's exactly what you're doing.

Israel takes out a known terrorist. Palestinians launch 150 missiles on civilians.
But somehow, it's Israel that's the genocidal maniac.
Could you please acknowledge that?
Tom
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Now you're just being obtuse, and I refuse to play your game.

You claimed that I wrote genocide was just "restricting the movement of people and denying them service".]

That was a lie. I have proven it was a lie.

Apologize.

The day I apologise for pretty much anything to the likes of you is the day I convert to Islam and blow myself up in a bus.

It's not my job to explain to you how words work.


Estimated total number of Jews in 1945: 11 million.
Estimated total number of Jews today: 13.3 million.
SOURCE: World Jewish Population | Latest Statistics

Yeah I slipped up with the post Shoah number. No idea what I was thinking.

The fact stands that there aren't more Jews today than prior to the Shoah.
Almost as if there was some kind of event.


My point is that just looking at population numbers tells you nothing about atrocities committed against that group and efforts to enact genocide on them. The actions of the Israeli government come under the UN definition of genocide.

I'm sorry you don't like that, but it is the truth. The Palestinian people have been targeted by the Israeli government for numerous human rights abuses in an effort to eliminate them as a group.

Once again, genocide doesn't have to be successful for it to be genocide. Are you not getting this point yet?

Okay so this is funny, Israel is just too stupid to genocide them?
Not to come off as sick but I think quite literally anyone can do it.
The Hutu's did it with just Machetes.

And if you look at the demographics of the Tutsi's you can see a sharp decline in numbers around 1994, which is really surprising as nothing dramatic happened in Rwanda around that time...

So where's the sharp decline for the Palestinians? Oh it doesn't exist.
Not because the Israelis aren't trying enough, they just aren't capable of killing them.
What's the Palestinian trick in all of this? I am sure everyone else would like to know how they shield themselves from Genocide.


You have yet to explain why it's hypocritical. You've said it was dishonest and biased, which it could be. But in what way is it hypocritical, specifically?

If you report on an identical event differently depending on who is involved it means there's a discrepancy, in this case hypocrisy.

But it really is okay, I fully realise that you don't see and will never see it.
People like you aren't in any way new to me. I encounter your like on my way to the Synagogue whenever something in Israel happens.


You're talking garbled nonsense.

Nah it's the truth. Go there and try your luck.


Nope. I never said that. In fact, I explicitly said that wasn't okay:

"If they just jumped to a conclusion, then they were irresponsible, biased and deserve scorn."
Also a lie. I never said that, nor would I ever.

I have yet to see any scorn from your side. It's all hypothetical.
Same as the outrage over Islamic Jihad.


Can you stop arguing with the voices in your head long enough to read my actual posts?

You mean the ones where you act as if the truth of the attack is some kind of big mystery that needs to be investigated?


We'll see. I don't see the value in jumping to conclusions in order to smear people.

Apparently, you do.

It's called experience. AI simply has that reputation.
Of course not among people like you. They of course write what you like to hear.

What did AI say again later? Oh right "conflicting reports".
I am not sure if a video of the incident is a report.
I think these things are called evidence.


You're just engaged in mindless conspiracy mongering. One Tweet that was subsequently walked back on (admittedly, too lightly and not quickly enough) does no indicate that an entire organization is a propaganda machine.

Case in point: the blatant lies you have told about me and my position. Were they honest mistakes or are you a propagandist, just as you allege AI as being? Perhaps you would jump to the conclusion that any incorrect statement is a deliberate lie if it's something you engage in a lot. We say we see the world as reflection of ourselves, I suppose.

You are free to educate yourself on the quality reporting AI and HRW do on Israel.

I know you won't do it but I have to present you that option even if it's a futile attempt.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I think that it's a very strong indicator that your definition of genocide is overly broad, weak, and self-serving.
Why?

Again, if a country is attempting to remove a particular group of people from the earth, their global population numbers don't have to overall go down in order for that to be considered genocide.

Read the UN definition of genocide.

The Jewish population dropped by over a third during the Nazi campaign of genocide. Referring to the Israeli war of self defense as genocide
Stop right there.

Again, I have said this twice now, I never once referred to the war itself as genocide, and for you to claim that I did is deliberate misrepresentation.

Stop doing it.

Do you not understand that your definition of genocide is designed to accuse Israel, but leave out Hamas and other Muslim governments that have sworn enmity against the Israeli people? Genocide is written into Hamas's charter!
In what way am I excluding Hamas from attempting genocide?

That's exactly what you're doing.
Now you are lying. I have been very clear that what amounts to genocide is Israel's continued and numerous human rights abuses against Palestinian citizens. I have never once claimed that them acting in self defence when attacked is genocide.

Why do people feel the need to lie about me in this thread?
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
Why?

Again, if a country is attempting to remove a particular group of people from the earth, their global population numbers don't have to overall go down in order for that to be considered genocide.

Read the UN definition of genocide.

There are a few million so-called Palestinians that are Israeli citizens that live in Israel.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Just a quick update:

The following tweet is currently the closest Amnesty International have come to apologizing for the tweet accusing Israel of firing the rocket:

"There are indications that it was a Palestinian rocket that hit ICHR offices in Gaza on 12 Nov 2019. The original tweet—based on information received at the time—wasn't deleted for transparency reasons. A follow up post acknowledged there were doubts about who was behind attack."
Amnesty International on Twitter

I hate to say it, but it does in fact look like AI are seriously dragging their heels and using evasive language rather than acknowledging what is, by now, a verifiable factual error and avoiding issuing an actual apology.

I'm actually ashamed of them at this point and acknowledge the valid concerns of other posters here regarding their handling of Israel.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
There are a few million so-called Palestinians that are Israeli citizens that live in Israel.
It's been awhile, so I could be wrong.
But my recollection is that nearly 20% of the Israeli population is Palestinian Muslim people. Muslim people who don't want to blow up buses or shoot rockets at civilians, they just want to have lives in a country with basic human rights. Peace and prosperity for all. That sort of thing.
It's the Palestinian leadership, supported by Muslims around the region, who don't want that. They like war and hate, because it keeps them in power and can easily be supported by quranic Scripture.
It totally works for Hamas.
Tom

ETA ~And they've got lots of useful idiots in the USA. Like the people who think that Israel is genocidal, but never talk about Palestinian genocide.~
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It's been awhile, so I could be wrong.
But my recollection is that nearly 20% of the Israeli population is Palestinian Muslim people. Muslim people who don't want to blow up buses or shoot rockets at civilians, they just want to have lives in a country with basic human rights. Peace and prosperity for all. That sort of thing.
It's the Palestinian leadership, supported by Muslims around the region, who don't want that. They like war and hate, because it keeps them in power and can easily be supported by quranic Scripture.
It totally works for Hamas.
Tom

ETA ~And they've got lots of useful idiots in the USA. Like the people who think that Israel is genocidal, but never talk about Palestinian genocide.~

There are even 3 parties expressly for Palestinians/Arab by name. Meanwhile in the WB it is illegal to sell property to a Jew and there are no parties for Jews in any similar manner to the 3 in Israel.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
No, you're wrong, There are Israeli parties of settlers from areas that allow no Muslims in the West bank. so you're argument is moot. And the Israelis are allowed to vote and the Muslims are not. Its called Aparteid for those ignorant of it.
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Some people's anti Palestinian bias is obvious, and undeniable!!
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

Notanumber

A Free Man
The UN has a lot to answer for.

In her introduction of the resolution, Haley had appealed on member states to leave aside their view of how an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal should look like and simply take a stand against terrorism.

“Today could be a historic day at the United Nations,” she said. “The General Assembly has passed over 700 resolutions condemning Israel. And not one single resolution condemning Hamas. That, more than anything else, is a condemnation of the United Nations itself.”

Haley: After UN vote on Hamas failed, Trump suggested fund cuts as retribution
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The UN has a lot to answer for.

In her introduction of the resolution, Haley had appealed on member states to leave aside their view of how an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal should look like and simply take a stand against terrorism.

“Today could be a historic day at the United Nations,” she said. “The General Assembly has passed over 700 resolutions condemning Israel. And not one single resolution condemning Hamas. That, more than anything else, is a condemnation of the United Nations itself.”

Haley: After UN vote on Hamas failed, Trump suggested fund cuts as retribution

But there have been resolutions passed concerning Palestine or did you not bother checking my link... Let me guess!
 
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