2024 USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DAY watch party.

[RestlessSoul]

Bloody hell Yanks. What have you done?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I’ve been saying that for months, and I really hope they do. I’m a champion for old school liberals.

I think the circumstances of the time we live in have rendered some core aspects of old-school liberalism obsolete and impractical unless said aspects are fundamentally modified, and Trump isn't much of an old-school liberal himself (e.g., supporting tariffs and railing against state institutions), but it seems to me that the Democratic underperformance in this election highlights that the party's platform and marketing both need quite a lot of work. This election feels like 2016 with an even worse performance: at least Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Harris is on course to lose it.

 

[VoidCat]

Well...at least Mark Robinson lost in NC. There's that...

 

[VoidCat]

Hey my guy Jeff Jackson who was running with the campaign: "I'm a normal person" won in NC as attorney general

 

[sayak83]

Apparently USA, like the Brexit UK, has decided to commit economic and political suicide. It will be interesting to see what the post US world order is going to be like...as we are now there.
Great news for India though..this Trump victory.

 

[crossfire]

I'm really surprised. Why did Trump win even the popular vote? He's never won the popular vote before.

Is it possible this has been rigged somehow? Could they ask for a recount?

The popular vote has yet to be determined. California is only 49% counted yet, for instance.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Apparently USA, like the Brexit UK, has decided to commit economic and political suicide.

I have similar thoughts, partially also because Europe is economically and demographically strained compared to before and may not be able to push back on Russia's war enough to free all Ukrainian territory—especially with China's economic support for Russia. I think the ramifications of lack of US support for Ukraine at this specific time may well extend for decades to come, and I suspect that many of the US' allies will not forget it or rely on the US to the same extent again.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I'd be disappointed if the party I would prefer to govern the UK came to power but it goes beyond disappointment to see this likely result in the USA. I'll leave the 'I told you so's' to another time - if such happens - but when wealth, wealth controlling media, lies/half-truths, the gullibility of sections of the population, and interference are what might determine elections, then the future looks bleak.

 

[Yerda]

I can't say I wasn't expecting it, but I'm still pretty gutted. Electing a serial raping conman once is stupid. Twice is pathological.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am more than a bit disappointed. All htat I can say is "Seriously?"

Okay, Four years of incompetence. And then the Democrats will have to clean up the Republican mess again.

 

[Nimos]

I have similar thoughts, partially also because Europe is economically and demographically strained compared to before and may not be able to push back on Russia's war enough to free all Ukrainian territory—especially with China's economic support for Russia. I think the ramifications of lack of US support for Ukraine at this specific time may well extend for decades to come, and I doubt the US' allies will forget it or rely on the US to the same extent again.

Going to be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on the world and especially Ukraine. I get the impression that the US very much voted based on self-interest rather than an international one, which you can't really blame them for if things are not going great over there.

But I agree that it is probably going to look bad for Ukraine and it will be interesting to see if he is going to continue his mission of ******* off China and fueling the conflict there.

We could potentially head for some very dark times for the world, both when it comes to peace but also the continuing failing climate.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Going to be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on the world and especially Ukraine. I get the impression that the US very much voted based on self-interest rather than an international one, which you can't really blame them for if things are not going great over there.

But I agree that it is probably going to look bad for Ukraine and it will be interesting to see if he is going to continue his mission of ******* off China and fueling the conflict there.

We could potentially head for some very dark times for the world, both when it comes to peace but also the continuing failing climate.

Yeah, I think he's quite unpredictable in general, and his party has a contrasting mixture of isolationists and war hawks, so it's hard to tell exactly where things will go from here. Now that the GOP also has a Senate majority and may retain control of the House, I agree that the world could be in for a very dark time, especially because the effects of policies regarding the climate and foreign affairs could easily outlast an administration.

 

[stvdv]

Going to be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on the world and especially Ukraine

Indeed, Trump promised, that the day he becomes president the Ukrainian war ends

Would be best if there was a law "IF a president doesn't keep his word, the president will be terminated"

Would make voting much easier
Would solve bad president issue

 

[Debater Slayer]

I am more than a bit disappointed. All htat I can say is "Seriously?"

Okay, Four years of incompetence. And then the Democrats will have to clean up the Republican mess again.

Only four years of incompetence unless Trump and the GOP start or fuel wars and trade wars that would well outlast their terms in office. That's what worries me the most. He packed the SCOTUS last time he was in office, and that still has major ramifications to this day; I think he could do a lot of damage within four years.

 

[stvdv]

We have a Dutch medium who predicted that D.Trump will clearly win, BUT he will not become the president.

Just to give the Democrats a little hope

Note:
I do not believe in mediums
I do like it if they predict elections

I did read a few month ago about an American who predicted elections correctly many times; forgot his name

 

[Nimos]

Yeah, I think he's quite unpredictable in general, and his party has a contrasting mixture of isolationists and war hawks, so it's hard to tell exactly where things will go from here. Now that the GOP also has a Senate majority and may retain control of the House, I agree that the world could be in for a very dark time, especially because the effects of policies regarding the climate and foreign affairs could easily outlast an administration.

I agree, that his unpredictability is a huge issue, but also I think he is very much US first and unfortunately, I don't think the average American is really all that concerned or interested in Ukraine, which obviously makes it possible for him to redraw the US help if he wants to.

And he is going to weaken or at least create instability in the alliance between the US and EU, which will be very good for China and Russia and ultimately I think the US will at some point realize that it will hurt them more than they thought.

But again, a lot of Americans are struggling and we all know that people have a self-interest, if things are bad for you and you are struggling, you can't really be expected to care for others.

Given that he is so determined to fix things for the US people, I think it's difficult to see how that is not going to collide with China and in general we know that presidents sitting in their last period are more eager to do things since they don't have to worry about being reelected. And if he follows that trend with his usual unpredictability and having the majority in the Senate and House etc. It could be very bad.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Going to be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on the world and especially Ukraine. I get the impression that the US very much voted based on self-interest rather than an international one, which you can't really blame them for if things are not going great over there.

But I agree that it is probably going to look bad for Ukraine and it will be interesting to see if he is going to continue his mission of ******* off China and fueling the conflict there.

We could potentially head for some very dark times for the world, both when it comes to peace but also the continuing failing climate.

China will continue buying US debt, which is likely to increase at an exponential rate. This is a win for them.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I agree, that his unpredictability is a huge issue, but also I think he is very much US first and unfortunately, I don't think the average American is really all that concerned or interested in Ukraine, which obviously makes it possible for him to redraw the US help if he wants to.

And he is going to weaken or at least create instability in the alliance between the US and EU, which will be very good for China and Russia and ultimately I think the US will at some point realize that it will hurt them more than they thought.

But again, a lot of Americans are struggling and we all know that people have a self-interest, if things are bad for you and you are struggling, you can't really be expected to care for others.

Given that he is so determined to fix things for the US people, I think it's difficult to see how that is not going to collide with China and in general we know that presidents sitting in their last period are more eager to do things since they don't have to worry about being reelected. And if he follows that trend with his usual unpredictability and having the majority in the Senate and House etc. It could be very bad.

I think it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, he will heed the potential objections from large corporations to some of his trade policies toward China. If his tariffs and trade war end up making many goods noticeably more expensive and disrupting parts of the operation and profits of some American (or other Western) mega-corporations—which is all but guaranteed given the massive size of Chinese manufacturing and markets—then he may not "fix" things for the average person. I suspect he might have to rein in some of his policies due to sheer practical considerations rather than a change in his ideological stances.

 

[Nimos]

Indeed, Trump promised, that the day he becomes president the Ukrainian war ends

Would be best if there was a law "IF a president doesn't keep his word, the president will be terminated"

Would make voting much easier
Would solve bad president issue

Could be, it depends on what he means by it. If he redraws all US support, then the war is technically over. On the other side, a lot of US companies also make a lot of money from the war which is obviously good for the US.

But I don't think he can create peace unless he is forcing the Ukrainians to their knees and then somehow spin it as if he did something good. Putin is not going to stop now that is for sure.

 

[stvdv]

I did read a few month ago about an American who predicted elections correctly many times; forgot his name

I found him again with his predictionHe has predicted correctly 10 out of 11 times.

23h ago he predicted Kamala Harris will win