2024 USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DAY watch party.

[Nimos]

China will continue buying US debt, which is likely to increase at an exponential rate. This is a win for them.

Yeah, the issue is that Trump seems much more concerned about China as they affect the US much more, and he could potentially start a trade war or something even worse. The problem is he is so unpredictable that it's difficult to guess what he might or might not do.

I think China and Russia are happy about it because they also know that US / EU with Trump is less united and has different interests.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Going to be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on the world and especially Ukraine.

He'll settle it in 24 hours!

I get the impression that the US very much voted based on self-interest rather than an international one, which you can't really blame them for if things are not going great over there.

It's the vote of delusion and getting your intel from social media and conspiracy nutters.
This is the new reality, unfortunately.

But I agree that it is probably going to look bad for Ukraine and it will be interesting to see if he is going to continue his mission of ******* off China and fueling the conflict there.
We could potentially head for some very dark times for the world, both when it comes to peace but also the continuing failing climate.

We can only hope that the people around him succeed in preventing him from the worst when he goes "full stupid".
At this point, it's up to the reasonable people in seats of power to enter damage control mode.

 

[Nimos]

I think it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, he will heed the potential objections from large corporations to some of his trade policies toward China. If his tariffs and trade war end up making many goods noticeably more expensive and disrupting parts of the operation and profits of some American (or other Western) mega-corporations—which is all but guaranteed given the massive size of Chinese manufacturing and markets—then he may not "fix" things for the average person. I suspect he might have to rein in some of his policies due to sheer practical considerations rather than a change in his ideological stances.

Agree, if he does it, clearly China is going to respond and EU which he would also do it against, will also have to do it. Which will obviously cause a trade war.

But again he is so unpredictable and has the mind of a person who thinks he is the best and can do whatever he wants and then he blames someone else for it. So I wouldn't be surprised if he does it because he is "the big important guy".

I would be surprised if he can fix things for the average American, I think that is a general issue with how Americans prefer to do things, it is very much a country for the rich and I don't think Trump is going to change anything about that

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yup just did 17 hours as election inspector in your favorite Peoples Republic.

She failed to point out the ignorant arrogance of your demagogue, and tried to hard to rally around his misogyny.

Slim chance Harris will win EC and lose the pop vote, but Drumpf won the ignorant vote and got them out to vote as well.

Now we have to fall back on the hopes that rational people will stop him from doing what he has promised as they have done before.
A trifecta will be disastrous news until the midterm realignment.

Not a pretty sight from a fiscally conservative standpoint.

You're hateful and spiteful rhetoric doesn't mean squattly **** to people anymore. People had enough of this useless crap so step aside and watch real people , including to my pleasant surprise, real blue dog Democrats as they show how this country needs to be run properly.

You can now go back and post in the Communist dirs to your heart's content.

 

[Nimos]

It's the vote of delusion and getting your intel from social media and conspiracy nutters.
This is the new reality, unfortunately.

Again I don't think this is really the issue, I think it is because a lot of Americans are struggling financially and when that is the issue, that is what you care about. Who cares what is going on in Ukraine or the rest of the world, if you can barely pay rent? and everything becomes more and more expensive?

So again, I don't really blame the Americans if you are struggling.

We can only hope that the people around him succeed in preventing him from the worst when he goes "full stupid".
At this point, it's up to the reasonable people in seats of power to enter damage control mode.

We can hope, but a lot of those around him are equally crazy

And we know he has a tendency to fire people. So I don't see why that would change at all. And that is why it can become extremely unpredictable what he will do.

 

[sayak83]

I am more than a bit disappointed. All htat I can say is "Seriously?"

Okay, Four years of incompetence. And then the Democrats will have to clean up the Republican mess again.

No it will be much much worse than 4 years of incompetence. Last time people did not know what Trump, this time they do and are ready to use the opportunity.
For starters, I expect Ukraine to be lost to Russia...following which China will likely conquer Taiwan as we all know Trump will not be going to any type or war and is easy to fool and bully or bribe.
I also expect general rearmament in Japan and most European countries along with a greater drive to obtain nuclear weapons and Trump is unlikely to accept any NATO responsibilities....treaties be damned.

 

[Koldo]

Again I don't think this is really the issue, I think it is because a lot of Americans are struggling financially and when that is the issue, that is what you care about. Who cares what is going on in Ukraine or the rest of the world, if you can barely pay rent? and everything becomes more and more expensive?

So again, I don't really blame the Americans if you are struggling.


We can hope, but a lot of those around him are equally crazy

And we know he has a tendency to fire people. So I don't see why that would change at all. And that is why it can become extremely unpredictable what he will do.

The funny part is that it is quite unlikely Trump will solve their problem, since his proposals mostly revolves around tax cuts plus increasing tariff on imported goods, and if you are poor you simply won't benefit much from that. But Trump will direct the blame towards someone else: the Democrats, China, immigrants, etc.

 

[Nimos]

The funny part is that it is quite unlikely Trump will solve their problem, since his proposals mostly revolves around tax cuts plus increasing tariff on imported goods, and if you are poor you simply won't benefit much from that. But Trump will direct the blame towards someone else: the Democrats, China, immigrants, etc.

Yeah, that is his usual way of dealing with things and he blames someone/something else.

The issue is that if he adds a 60% (or how much) import tax on China, they are going to react just as severely against the US. And if he adds 20% (or how much) to EU we have to respond.

And even if it is much lower, countries will respond, it's just how it works. But I think everyone will feel the effect of such a thing, but obviously he might not do it, he is pretty unpredictable and very quick to say things if it makes him sound powerful or important.

But my guess is, that he is going after China one way or another because that seems to be where his main interest is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'll go back to ignoring the political threads for the next 4 years.

(Regardless of who wins.)

It makes sense. Likely it's more productive to focus on the issues themselves rather than the candidates themselves.

We all want our lives to be better I like to think.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The funny part is that it is quite unlikely Trump will solve their problem, since his proposals mostly revolves around tax cuts plus increasing tariff on imported goods, and if you are poor you simply won't benefit much from that. But Trump will direct the blame towards someone else: the Democrats, China, immigrants, etc.

In truth Trump did make a lot of promises and what's even truer is that he's going to be held to those promises and his quest to fulfill them.

It's why the people here voted him in to solve these things, so once the campaigning honeymoon is over people are going to expect work to be done.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And it starts

It's their turn anyways. *grin*

 

[Koldo]

In truth Trump did make a lot of promises and what's even truer is that he's going to be held to those promises and his quest to fulfill them.

It's why the people here voted him in to solve these things, so once the campaigning honeymoon is over people are going to expect work to be done.

What promises are going to make an impact for the poor? Can you cite 3? Tax cuts are not impactful when you don't pay all that many taxes to begin with, particularly when some/many goods are going to see a price increase (because of the tariff wars).

 

[anna.]

No it will be much much worse than 4 years of incompetence. Last time people did not know what Trump, this time they do and are ready to use the opportunity.
For starters, I expect Ukraine to be lost to Russia...following which China will likely conquer Taiwan as we all know Trump will not be going to any type or war and is easy to fool and bully or bribe.
I also expect general rearmament in Japan and most European countries along with a greater drive to obtain nuclear weapons and Trump is unlikely to accept any NATO responsibilities....treaties be damned.

Unfortunately I have to agree. The ramifications reach far beyond the U.S.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Again I don't think this is really the issue, I think it is because a lot of Americans are struggling financially and when that is the issue, that is what you care about.

So they vote for someone who'll lower taxes for the ultra rich while making the prices of the "plebs"s shopping carts skyrocket by imposing tarrifs on every import?

This is exactly what I mean. The misinformation and delusion got to these people. Thinking it will be good for them, but it won't.

Who cares what is going on in Ukraine or the rest of the world, if you can barely pay rent? and everything becomes more and more expensive?

Everything becomes more expensive, because they are fighting in Ukraine and the rest of the world....
The energy crisis and plenty of other inflation is 100% the result of Putin weaponizing gas and grain.

And we know he has a tendency to fire people. So I don't see why that would change at all. And that is why it can become extremely unpredictable what he will do.

Idd. Time to get out the popcorn and watch The Crazy Overseas Trump Show 2.0

 

[stvdv]

Could be, it depends on what he means by it. If he redraws all US support, then the war is technically over.

Might be a Master move

On the other side, a lot of US companies also make a lot of money from the war which is obviously good for the US.

Making money out of killing others I don't call good. And karma wise it can get expensive

But I don't think he can create peace unless he is forcing the Ukrainians to their knees

Maybe, but there are other options

Putin has claimed for years, that the reason for the war was "NATO getting to close to Russian borders". Which I understand completely, being an empath and using Common Sense.

So, if Trump stops funding NATO, Putin might be actually relieved and happy the war ends, assuming the above claim of Putin was sincere and true. War is not fun if it happens in your country.

People watching movies might forget that

War is Hell on Earth

and then somehow spin it as if he did something good.

That indeed sounds very Trumpish

Putin is not going to stop now that is for sure.

He might, as I explained above

 

[Debater Slayer]

I hate to say it, but I think this may result in permanent loss of Ukrainian territory because I just don't see a way for Europe to sufficiently fill the void that the US would leave if it pulled out of aiding Ukraine, which is now likely to happen given that Republicans have control of the White House and both chambers of Congress (so far, at least, and control of the Senate alone could disrupt a lot of aid packages anyway).

Europe is simply not equipped financially or demographically to match the US. The rise of far-right parties in some European countries also doesn't bode well for long-term aid to Ukraine even from its European allies.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What promises are going to make an impact for the poor? Can you cite 3? Tax cuts are not impactful when you don't pay all that many taxes to begin with, particularly when some/many goods are going to see a price increase (because of the tariff wars).

Neither do bailouts help like Harris with all the tax credits.

It's systemic and I think the key is in bringing back our manufacturing and service sectors back stateside , and bring in energy dependent solutions. Like drill baby drill.

 

[Koldo]

Neither do bailouts help like Harris with all the tax credits.

It's systemic and I think the key is in bringing back our manufacturing and service sectors back stateside , and bring in energy dependent solutions. Like drill baby drill.

The outcome of a tariff war is unpredictable and it heavily influences where manufacturing industries are going to settle. I doubt you are going to see much of a difference in the short-term when most investors are going to be cautious. I genuinely don't see how the poor unsatisfied with Biden's government due to economy issues would be better off in Trump's term.

 

[Stevicus]

Harris is on course to lose Michigan, only the second Democratic candidate to do so since 1992, and also lose the popular vote, a first for a Democratic candidate after 2004.

The Democratic Party will need to seriously review this abysmal performance if it wants to put up any real challenge to the GOP in the upcoming election.

After the past several years, I have realized that self-reflection and actually admitting mistakes is something Democrats just aren't willing to do. They have a superiority complex so thick that you can cut it with a knife.

 

[Nimos]

So they vote for someone who'll lower taxes for the ultra rich while making the prices of the "plebs"s shopping carts skyrocket by imposing tarrifs on every import?

This is exactly what I mean. The misinformation and delusion got to these people. Thinking it will be good for them, but it won't.

I don't know exactly what he has said. But as far as I know, Americans have seen an increase in cost in the last few years and obviously as people normally do they blame the sitting government and if Trump with his usual Twitter statements pushes the message of American first and how he can fix things etc. I think a lot of people will buy into that, simply because Biden didn't.

Again the US system in my opinion is one designed for the rich, which is why there is so much inequality in their country, but that is what the Americans like because they fear any ideas that could be considered socialism. Which is also why a lot of their systems are so insanely bad for the poor people in their country. Whereas pretty much all other developed countries can have free healthcare systems, schools etc.

The Americans just look at these things very differently than other countries, because they have been taught and still suffer from the fear of communism/socialism from back in the day.

Everything becomes more expensive, because they are fighting in Ukraine and the rest of the world....
The energy crisis and plenty of other inflation is 100% the result of Putin weaponizing gas and grain.

I could imagine that the average American is thinking, "Why do we have to pay so much money to some war somewhere in Europe?" when we are struggling?

And again as an average American it makes sense if you don't care about this war and the media in the US might not spend a lot of time on it compared to what we do in the EU, because the war is much closer to us.

Maybe, but there are other options

Putin has claimed for years, that the reason for the war was "NATO getting to close to Russian borders". Which I understand completely, being an empath and using Common Sense.

So, if Trump stops funding NATO, Putin might be actually relieved and happy the war ends, assuming the above claim of Putin was sincere and true. War is not fun if it happens in your country.

People watching movies might forget that

War is Hell on Earth

I would probably disagree with this, obviously, that is the excuse used.

But today they have weapons that can shoot all over the world anyway and finally big countries shouldn't be able or even allowed to demand anything of other countries just because they are bigger. Ukraine as far as I know, have no nuclear weapons at all, so why they would attack them makes no sense? Furthermore, they are not part of NATO or EU either, so that excuse doesn't really hold up.

He might, as I explained above

Trump doesn't stop funding NATO, if anything he has actually made it stronger, because now more EU countries are spending a lot of money on the military.

I could imagine or fear that Trump might even escalate the conflict by threatening Putin to allow Ukraine more possibilities using US weapons or might even go further or again might pull all funding to Ukraine which will force them to the table. Again Trump is very unpredictable.

But the problem obviously is that you have Russia, Iran, North Korea and China financially supporting the war against the EU and US, and if US redraw their funding or whatever Trump wants to do to solve the issue in 24 hours, it can go very wrong.