AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
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40% of Americans belive the world was created 6000-years ago
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AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Evolution for Dummies (and YECers)...
Evolution is the process of adaptation as a species, or members of a species, enter a new environmental niche in the never ending quest for new food sources and/or protection from predators. Evolutionary changes can be as subtle as the leathery hoof pads and superior balance of mountain sheep as compared to their flatland cousins. Or it can be as drastic as the transition of dolphins from land to sea mammals.
And yes, Man has evolved as well. We have a clear fossil trail leading back hundreds of thousand of years. We can trace Man's progression of migration from a single area of the earth. The blond haired Northmen, Asians, both American and Asian Indians, etc are all examples of Evolutionary Changes in the human species as Man evovled to adapt to his new environment.
There have been some changes in recorded history as well, such as an increase in average height and smaller jaws & teeth. Your apendix is also an example of evoutionary change, an organ we have not used in millenia that our cousins, the Great Apes, still use.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
This is wrong. While all parables are not illustrated from a true historic account, some parables are in fact entirely true in nature and based on actual historic events.
So, to exclude the retelling of an eyewitness accounts from being presented as parrables would be entirely in error.
I do agree that many, if not most parables might be entirely imaginative to one degree or another; however, to insist that parables that JESUS CHRIST presented must in fact be made up tales, would be a very wrong assumption.
The reality is that JESUS would have a data base extending all the way back to the creation to pull a fitting event from. An example would be the tale of the poor man Lazarus and the rich man. JESUS in tell this event does not use the word "suppose."
JESUS clearly states "There was a rich man who dressed in purple ..."
So you are very wrong if you believe that all parables must be fictional. They do not. Example:
There once was a great ship, the biggest of its day. The people all thought that this ship was unsinkable and it looked to all to be the most beautiful and most seaworthy. So, it was only fitted with enough lifeboats for a fraction of its passengers. Unfortunately, this great ship hit an iceberg on its maiden voyage one cold April night and quickly sank ---- taking with it the majority of those aboard. The moral is, never place all your faith in those things make with human hands, it may be your undoing...
This story is in fact true----but it is still a parable.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Then there is no such a thing as "species," because the term "kind" is thousands of years older. As for need, when has there ever been a need? Who or what established the need for any living thing?
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
And so I urge you to attend a Bible believing church, go to Sunday school, and get involved in a weekly Bible study. It should educate you.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
This is just making my day. :biglaugh:
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Argumentum ad Antiquitatem Fallacy.
People once thought the soul resided in vapors that moved about the body in the blood stream, and had no idea WHAT blood was or what it did.
Species is the modern scientific term, and the accurate term, to designate and catagorize different animals.
As for "need", see my "Evolution for Dummies (and YECers)" comments above.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
the lectorium's website says very little...unless you begin to read their stuff or contact them. Frankly your glancing amounts to little then.
Why not be a bit more honest?
What particularly if anything did you find that was distasteful, if anything?
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Well um no, perhaps you need to read a dictionary
since on your own admission you failed high school, though my apologies if that is incorrect, you were never clear on this issue:
Parable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. It differs from a fable in that fables use animals, plants, inanimate objects, and forces of nature as characters, while parables generally feature human characters. It is a type of analogy.[1]
Some scholars of the New Testament apply the term "parable" only to the parables of Jesus,[2] though that is not a common restriction of the term. Parables such as "The Prodigal Son" are central to Jesus' teaching method in both the canonical narratives and the apocrypha.
The word "parable" comes from the Greek "παραβολή" (parabolē
, the name given by Greek rhetoricians to any fictive illustration in the form of a brief narrative. Later it came to mean a fictitious narrative, generally referring to something that might naturally occur, by which spiritual and moral matters might be conveyed.[3] A parable is a short tale that illustrates universal truth, one of the simplest of narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an action, and shows the results. It often involves a character facing a moral dilemma, or making a questionable decision and then suffering the consequences. As with a fable, a parable generally relates a single, simple, consistent action, without extraneous detail or distracting circumstances. Examples of parables are Ignacy Krasicki's "Son and Father," "The Farmer," "Litigants" and "The Drunkard."Many folktales could be viewed as extended parables, and many fairy tales also, except for their magical settings. The prototypical parable differs from the apologue in that it is a realistic story that seems inherently probable and takes place in a familiar setting of life.
A parable is like a metaphor that has been extended to form a brief, coherent fiction. Christian parables have recently been studied as extended metaphors,[4] for example by a writer who finds that "parables are stories about ordinary men and women who find in the midst of their everyday lives surprising things happening.
Parable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Main Entry: par·a·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈpa-rə-bəl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin parabola, from Greek parabolē comparison, from paraballein to compare, from para- + ballein to throw — more at devil
Date: 14th century
: example; specifically : a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
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dust1n
Zindīq
The funny thing is that this story also supports the exact opposite message:
- if the First Officer had full faith in those things made with human hands, he wouldn't have tried to slow the ship by putting her into reverse (which had the ironic effect of killing the water flow over the rudder, making steering much less effective). The ship could've steered away from the iceberg in time.
- failing that, if they had just had faith in the strength of the ship and rammed the iceberg head-on, Titanic would have survived. She could float with any four of her watertight compartments flooded; a single imact on the bow wouldn've have sunk her, but the long gash she received along the side of the ship damaged more compartments than she could handle.
- finally, many people died needlessly because they didn't trust the lifeboats. Many boats left only half-filled.
So... the tale of Titanic is just as much a caution against not putting enough faith in things made by human hands as anything else.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Um, sure, participate in activities designed to ELIMINATE education.
Gotcha.
You sound bias and narrow-minded. Investigation never stiffles the education process --------- it enriches it.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
I fail to see how reading ONE book and ignoring all else, is
investigation
enrichening an educational process
:sarcastic
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
The funny thing is that this story also supports the exact opposite message:
- if the First Officer had full faith in those things made with human hands, he wouldn't have tried to slow the ship by putting her into reverse (which had the ironic effect of killing the water flow over the rudder, making steering much less effective). The ship could've steered away from the iceberg in time.
- failing that, if they had just had faith in the strength of the ship and rammed the iceberg head-on, Titanic would have survived. She could float with any four of her watertight compartments flooded; a single imact on the bow wouldn've have sunk her, but the long gash she received along the side of the ship damaged more compartments than she could handle.
- finally, many people died needlessly because they didn't trust the lifeboats. Many boats left only half-filled.
So... the tale of Titanic is just as much a caution against not putting enough faith in things made by human hands as anything else.
Human error is human error. And to the credit of the 1st Officer; no one wanted to be the man who damaged a brand new ship. And perhaps more importantly, no one really knew how to handle such large ships at that time.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Oh dear god. The humanity. The humanity...
Please, LittleNipper, please tell me this was a joke. If you really thought this was a killer argument, I'd despair.
Are you saying that "kind" and "species" mean the same thing?
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Who says to ignore everything else. But one must at least be willing to take everything with a grain of salt and not believe some scientists have all the right answers or even humanities best interests at heart.