"48% of White Evangelicals Would Support Kavanaugh Even If He Assaulted Dr. Ford"

[ecco]

I had the luxury of not having to worry about my vote counting in the last election so I was able to vote my conscious without worrying about "my candidate". I was ready to vote for Hillary as the "lesser of two evils" but she was a shoe in.

You did not pay attention to my post. In my state of was not even close. Hillary won by a landslide. If it was going to be close at all I would have voted for her. I could not stand either of the top two, but if needed I was ready to vote for her. Since she was going to win easily in my state I had the luxury of wasting my vote as a protest. If I had lived in Pennsylvania or a similar state I would have voted for her.

So it's not a matter of my not paying attention, it's that you just said she was a "shoe in". It would have been clearer if you had said she was a "shoe in in my State".

In any case, a lot of people believed the polls and thought she was a shoe in and stayed home.

 

[ecco]

Turnabout is fair play. Clinton (Bill) did not get close to a majority in either of his elections. The first one especially was handed to him by Perot.

A lesson that the Dems should have remembered and emphasized with Gore and H. Clinton.

 

[Niblo]

I've never heard of it. I've just looked in Wikipedia, and it seems it's a Chinese product from a firm that Colegate bought in 1985, so I'm surprised that it's been put in a 1950's museum.

I've never heard of it. I've just looked in Wikipedia, and it seems it's a Chinese product from a firm that Colegate bought in 1985, so I'm surprised that it's been put in a 1950's museum.

Looked at the same site. It mentions the product being available in Hong Kong in the 30's (and presumably after the war) Pure guess, but some might have been brought to uk by service personnel..and the boxes donated to the cafe in due course. Long shot. Better shot...maybe...is that the boxes have been placed under false pretences. Certainly, I could not have used the stuff as a kid after all. Intriguing! By the way, it was not Skipton, but Hebden Bridge (my wife corrected me!).

 

[Niblo]

I've never heard of it. I've just looked in Wikipedia, and it seems it's a Chinese product from a firm that Colegate bought in 1985, so I'm surprised that it's been put in a 1950's museum.

The 'Blitz Cafe and Tearoom'. You can find it online.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So it's not a matter of my not paying attention, it's that you just said she was a "shoe in". It would have been clearer if you had said she was a "shoe in in my State".

In any case, a lot of people believed the polls and thought she was a shoe in and stayed home.

Sorry, I thought that that was obvious from context. I guess it was not. Yes, in my state there was no doubt that Hillary would win. There was a benefit to that. By the end of a presidential race I am usually sick to death of the commercials from both sides for their candidate. We had almost no presidential campaign commercials in my state from either side. They both realized that there was no point in spending money here.

 

[Niblo]

I've never heard of it. I've just looked in Wikipedia, and it seems it's a Chinese product from a firm that Colegate bought in 1985, so I'm surprised that it's been put in a 1950's museum.

Pic of one of their displays!

 

[dianaiad]

Why are you people simply assuming that Judge K DID this? That Ford isn't having memory issues?

Why aren't any of you questioning the timing of all this?

Why aren't any of you wondering why it is perfectly acceptable for Clinton to use his power to compels sex from an intern (and yeah, that's rape) during his term in office, but that a seventeen year old kid who may or may not have (and probably didn't) done something spectacularly stupid must have his life utterly ruined because HIS politics are not politically correct?

Why are all of you just fine with the incredible cowardice and moral bankruptcy illustrated by Kennedy's handling of Mary Jo Kopeckne's death, but will go out of your way to believe that Judge K is a horrible person because someone who can't identify him, remember the day, the month or the event, and whose story is contradicted by EVERYBODY who may have been involved?

Look. I have a cousin who I love. She went through something similar....she 'remembers' that her father molested her. This memory was solidified and confirmed through therapy (rather like Dr. Fords') and she believed, for three decades, that her father molested her.

The only problem was....he didn't. Her memory was flawed, and actually 'manufactured." Turns out that at the time the incident supposedly happened, she was in Utah.....and her father was in Australia. There is no possible way that the incident she remembers happening actually happened.

But you are all swallowing the koolaid, BECAUSE it serves your purposes. Because you don't like the politics.

I am, frankly, disgusted by all this, and wondering one more thing:

If Kavenaugh is confirmed, he WAS going to be a pretty good, even-handed constitutionalist and fair judge. He wasn't going to overturn Roe v Wade, for crying out loud.

But after what the Democrats have done to him? Watch out. He might well decide to 'get even,' and I wouldn't blame him one iota. The Democrats may have made the enemy they claim he was to begin with, and they will only have themselves to blame.

 

[Niblo]

Why are you people simply assuming that Judge K DID this? That Ford isn't having memory issues?

Why aren't any of you questioning the timing of all this?

Why aren't any of you wondering why it is perfectly acceptable for Clinton to use his power to compels sex from an intern (and yeah, that's rape) during his term in office, but that a seventeen year old kid who may or may not have (and probably didn't) done something spectacularly stupid must have his life utterly ruined because HIS politics are not politically correct?

I am, frankly, disgusted by all this, and wondering one more thing:

If Kavenaugh is confirmed, he WAS going to be a pretty good, even-handed constitutionalist and fair judge. He wasn't going to overturn Roe v Wade, for crying out loud.

But after what the Democrats have done to him? Watch out. He might well decide to 'get even,' and I wouldn't blame him one iota.

If he does indeed 'get even', wouldn't that render him unworthy to sit in the Supreme Court?

 

[ecco]

But you are all swallowing the koolaid, BECAUSE it serves your purposes.

I guess you don't really understand the concept of the koolaid.

Jim Jones, a highly personable evangelical minister, led his flock to Guyana and established a commune there with about 900 people. When the S was about to hit the Fan, this highly personable leader, who could do no wrong, had all his followers drink a flavored beverage laced with cyanide.

In other words, it was a group of Sheeples believing to the end that their leader was the second coming. Just like the Trump Sheeples.

 

[viole]

"As we speak, conservative Christians are working to discredit the testimony of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and students from Liberty University are protesting in defense of Brett Kavanaugh.

We know why they’re hell-bent on getting Kavanaugh confirmed to the Supreme Court: He would be a certain fifth vote to overturn abortion rights at the federal level, and no amount of bad behavior in his past is going to shake their conviction that the allegations against him are all part of some giant left-wing conspiracy.

Now we can put some numbers behind how many Americans are looking the other way in spite of the evidence against Kavanaugh. According to a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll taken last week, 48% of white evangelical Christians say that Kavanaugh should be confirmed to the Supreme Court even if the charge of sexual assault is true.

I repeat: Nearly half of white evangelicals want Kavanaugh on the Court even if they believe he attempted to rape a girl when he was younger. Only 36% of them said it would be a dealbreaker while 16% were unsure. As if his guilt would still present some doubt as to whether he deserves a promotion.

If that doesn’t tell you the depths of their moral depravity, I don’t know what does.

(Incidentally, 54% of Republicans said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh even if he sexually assaulted her. No other sub-group had numbers as high as Republicans and white evangelicals.)

This isn’t a question of whether they believe Kavanaugh or Ford. This is a question about how white evangelicals would react even if they accepted Kavanaugh’s guilt, and the answer for half of them is that it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference. So what if a woman was nearly raped as long as a conservative is placed on the Supreme Court?

It’s the same reaction they had when it came to voting for a president who admitted to grabbing women by the genitals just because he could. They just don’t care about what victims go through. Maybe because they think God will reward them for defending the unborn. One woman getting assaulted doesn’t matter as much as [make up any number you want] fetuses.

I’d be curious how many of those same evangelicals, who would still support Kavanaugh despite his theoretical guilt, would blame Dr. Ford for the incident."
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Honestly, I am not sure why we should be so surprised.

He will fight abortion and these allegations provide evidence he is not gay. What else do they need? A a bit of female collateral damage is not important.

The respect towards females and the strife to reach equality between the sexes, are not exactly characteristics for which Christianity is famous.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

Honestly, I am not sure why we should be so surprised.

He will fight abortion and these allegations provide evidence he is not gay. What else do they need? A a bit of female collateral damage is not important.

The respect towards females and the strife to reach equality between the sexes, are not exactly characteristics for which Christianity is famous.

Ciao

- viole

I don't think it proves he isn't gay.
But if it turns out that he is, it will become even more interesting.

 

[dianaiad]

If he does indeed 'get even', wouldn't that render him unworthy to sit in the Supreme Court?

Well, it would be too late to do anything about it then, wouldn't it?

 

[dianaiad]

I guess you don't really understand the concept of the koolaid.

Jim Jones, a highly personable evangelical minister, led his flock to Guyana and established a commune there with about 900 people. When the S was about to hit the Fan, this highly personable leader, who could do no wrong, had all his followers drink a flavored beverage laced with cyanide.

In other words, it was a group of Sheeples believing to the end that their leader was the second coming. Just like the Trump Sheeples.

Except that it isn't the "Trump sheeples' who are running to judgment and believing idiocy simply because the politics tickle their ears now, is it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Except that it isn't the "Trump sheeples' who are running to judgment and believing idiocy simply because the politics tickle their ears now, is it?

I've heard some such idiocy from both sides.
But in this case, the anti-Kavanaugh has the louder loopier element.

Now to my anti-Kavanaugh friends....note that I'm not painting all
of you with this brush...just the ones who make even you cringe.

 

[Niblo]

Well, it would be too late to do anything about it then, wouldn't it?

Ahh...so that makes it ok?

 

[dianaiad]

Ahh...so that makes it ok?

What about any of this is "OK?"
From where I sit, the 'anti-K" group is doing it's level best to MAKE Kavenaugh 'unfit to sit,' by deliberately hurting him...and for what?


And whether Kavenaugh turns out to be a mature, reasonable and honorable judge who won't let this process sour him or not, if it HAS done so....

The dems have done it to themselves.

And they deserve to harvest what they have sown.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who play this level of political nastiness. None.

 

[Sand Dancer]

These folks are vile. So glad to be an ex-evangelical.

 

[Sand Dancer]

what white evangelicals stand for? are there any black,yellow or red ones.

Evangelicalism tends to be a white thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Evangelicalism tends to be a white thing.

Black folk tend to be even more religious.
Is that a problem too?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Black folk tend to be even more religious.
Is that a problem too?

Not a problem. It's just that they don't tend to call themselves evangelicals. It began in Europe for the most part.