"48% of White Evangelicals Would Support Kavanaugh Even If He Assaulted Dr. Ford"

[onlytruth]

is it the same polls that said Hillary was sure to win and trump was sure to lose.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"As we speak, conservative Christians are working to discredit the testimony of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and students from Liberty University are protesting in defense of Brett Kavanaugh.

We know why they’re hell-bent on getting Kavanaugh confirmed to the Supreme Court: He would be a certain fifth vote to overturn abortion rights at the federal level, and no amount of bad behavior in his past is going to shake their conviction that the allegations against him are all part of some giant left-wing conspiracy.

Now we can put some numbers behind how many Americans are looking the other way in spite of the evidence against Kavanaugh. According to a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll taken last week, 48% of white evangelical Christians say that Kavanaugh should be confirmed to the Supreme Court even if the charge of sexual assault is true.

I repeat: Nearly half of white evangelicals want Kavanaugh on the Court even if they believe he attempted to rape a girl when he was younger. Only 36% of them said it would be a dealbreaker while 16% were unsure. As if his guilt would still present some doubt as to whether he deserves a promotion.

If that doesn’t tell you the depths of their moral depravity, I don’t know what does.

(Incidentally, 54% of Republicans said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh even if he sexually assaulted her. No other sub-group had numbers as high as Republicans and white evangelicals.)

This isn’t a question of whether they believe Kavanaugh or Ford. This is a question about how white evangelicals would react even if they accepted Kavanaugh’s guilt, and the answer for half of them is that it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference. So what if a woman was nearly raped as long as a conservative is placed on the Supreme Court?

It’s the same reaction they had when it came to voting for a president who admitted to grabbing women by the genitals just because he could. They just don’t care about what victims go through. Maybe because they think God will reward them for defending the unborn. One woman getting assaulted doesn’t matter as much as [make up any number you want] fetuses.

I’d be curious how many of those same evangelicals, who would still support Kavanaugh despite his theoretical guilt, would blame Dr. Ford for the incident."
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Citation?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

i have never met anyone who could justify rape of men or women, yes it happens to both. even a rapist knows it is wrong and wicked but don.t care. you don't need college programming to understand some basic principles of right and wrong.

If we're talking about the popular idea of rape, i.e. attacked by a stranger with willful malice aforethought, then sure. If we're talking about incidents between people who know each other, the "basic principles of right and wrong" become more confused, and they were extremely confused 40 years ago.

I don't agree with everything in this article, but it does have some very interesting perspectives on what was and wasn't considered "rape" back in the early 80s; The rape culture of the 1980s, explained by Sixteen Candles

 

[Spiderman]

Even if Kavanagh lived his whole life without sin, there's no way he's going to make abortion illegal

 

[ecco]

I was ready to vote for Hillary as the "lesser of two evils" but she was a shoe in. I was able to vote third party as a protest to both.

You and others like you got Trump elected. Apparently you folks never heard the name "Ralph Nader".

 

[ecco]

I rather vote on principle even if I lose....Depending on the state, your vote may or may not count, but more importantly at least one does not sacrifice principle for vioting for someone who is less horrible than the other. More miportantly my comment is at at the base that touts Christian morality but does not enact none.

See my post # 25 above.

 

[Sunstone]

Citation?

He links to the source at the end of his post.

 

[Sunstone]

You and others like you got Trump elected. Apparently you folks never heard the name "Ralph Nader".

True. Had Gore won New Hampshire, he would have won the election. He lost by about 5000 votes. Nader picked up about about 6000 votes in that state.

 

[whirlingmerc]

"As we speak, conservative Christians are working to discredit the testimony of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and students from Liberty University are protesting in defense of Brett Kavanaugh.

We know why they’re hell-bent on getting Kavanaugh confirmed to the Supreme Court: He would be a certain fifth vote to overturn abortion rights at the federal level, and no amount of bad behavior in his past is going to shake their conviction that the allegations against him are all part of some giant left-wing conspiracy.

Now we can put some numbers behind how many Americans are looking the other way in spite of the evidence against Kavanaugh. According to a NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll taken last week, 48% of white evangelical Christians say that Kavanaugh should be confirmed to the Supreme Court even if the charge of sexual assault is true.

I repeat: Nearly half of white evangelicals want Kavanaugh on the Court even if they believe he attempted to rape a girl when he was younger. Only 36% of them said it would be a dealbreaker while 16% were unsure. As if his guilt would still present some doubt as to whether he deserves a promotion.

If that doesn’t tell you the depths of their moral depravity, I don’t know what does.

(Incidentally, 54% of Republicans said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh even if he sexually assaulted her. No other sub-group had numbers as high as Republicans and white evangelicals.)

This isn’t a question of whether they believe Kavanaugh or Ford. This is a question about how white evangelicals would react even if they accepted Kavanaugh’s guilt, and the answer for half of them is that it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference. So what if a woman was nearly raped as long as a conservative is placed on the Supreme Court?

It’s the same reaction they had when it came to voting for a president who admitted to grabbing women by the genitals just because he could. They just don’t care about what victims go through. Maybe because they think God will reward them for defending the unborn. One woman getting assaulted doesn’t matter as much as [make up any number you want] fetuses.

I’d be curious how many of those same evangelicals, who would still support Kavanaugh despite his theoretical guilt, would blame Dr. Ford for the incident."
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While serious... and it's her word against his... you are talking about behavior as a minor. If he had a pattern that continued as ab adult I think I would agree but allegations from when he was a minor? Certainly Bill Clinton and some of the Chapaquidick Kennedy behavior was far worse into the adult years

 

[onlytruth]

so if i know you and steal from you, somehow it is a different kind of stealing. Isn't rape stealing

 

[Audie]

It's curious how some of the most moralistic, finger wagging people in America would condone rape.

The poll collaborates a few other polls that show Republicans and White Evangelicals to be among the most morally depraved groups of people in our society. Oddly enough, the very people within both groups who admit that they would condone rape and other crimes, strenuously object to being called "deplorables". They don't mind announcing that they would condone rape, but please don't call them deplorable for it.

We live in interesting times.

It is no surprise. We have a saying about how the first to
condemn others are the guilty ones.

 

[Audie]

While serious... and it's her word against his... you are talking about behavior as a minor. If he had a pattern that continued as ab adult I think I would agree but allegations from when he was a minor? Certainly Bill Clinton and some of the Chapaquidick Kennedy behavior was far worse into the adult years

Lets not play whatabout.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It's curious how some of the most moralistic, finger wagging people in America would condone rape.

The poll collaborates a few other polls that show Republicans and White Evangelicals to be among the most morally depraved groups of people in our society. Oddly enough, the very people within both groups who admit that they would condone rape and other crimes, strenuously object to being called "deplorables". They don't mind announcing that they would condone rape, but please don't call them deplorable for it.

We live in interesting times.

In fairness, I don't believe it's that dichotomous. There are people who will find rape abhorrent and never condone it, but don't find this incident from almost 40 years ago to be a deal breaker.

I personally am open to the argument that "dumb stuff I did as a kid shouldn't be held against me as an adult if I can demonstrate I have matured and moved on". Now, whether Kavanaugh has "matured and moved on" is highly debatable, but an incident from that long ago, that occurred between two immature and hormonal teenagers, taking into account the cultural context of the time, isn't, in and of itself, disqualifying.

In my opinion. Maybe I'm biased because of the dumb stuff I did in my youth and got away with. What's the worst thing you ever did as a teenager? Would it be fair to hold it against you at your next job interview?

 

[onlytruth]

trump was elected the same way that all presidents get elected. he was told by Hillary and her team not to be a sore loser when he lost.

 

[ecco]

who in the presidency were nasty women chasers and rapist than John Kennedy and bill Clinton. or murder of women like ted Kennedy.

Your comment is typical of people of your shared mindset.

John Kennedy didn't need to rape anyone. If you have evidence that he raped someone, please show it.
Bill Clinton didn't need to rape anyone. If you have evidence that he raped someone, please show it.
Ted Kennedy didn't murder anyone. Murder:

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
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Notice the word "premeditated". If you have evidence that Ted Kennedy planned the car crash, please show it.

 

[Audie]

so if i know you and steal from you, somehow it is a different kind of stealing. Isn't rape stealing

No, it is not. It is a violent terrifying and agonizing physical
attack on the body and mind of the victim.

I'd give everything I owned, everything, let him
steal everything, a thousand times over, to escape.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

He links to the source at the end of his post.

Thanks, I missed it at first

 

[ecco]

It's curious how some of the most moralistic, finger wagging people in America would condone rape.

Why not? It's GodApproved.

 

[onlytruth]

that is why our society punishes children differently than adults

 

[whirlingmerc]

Lets not play whatabout.

Regardless of Kennedy's antics (who quested Clarence Thomas on similar despite his own more serious issues) we are talking about unproven claims while a minor
and if the behavior was seen to continue as an adult that seems to the the decisive issue