50 Killed at Florida Nightclub by Muslim Man

[ShivaFan]

It's going to get a LOT worse.

LGBT better buy guns.

 

[Watchmen]

What we know:

Omar Mateen never practiced his faith.

Omar Mateen was homosexual.

Omar Mateen had been spurned several times at the club.

Omar Mateen drank alcohol repeatedly.

Omar Mateen abused his wife (ex)

Omar Mateen was mentally unstable and due to American laws, still able to buy firearms.

I didn't know a supposedly Islamic extremist group such as ISIS were starting to recruit homosexuals you drank and frequented clubs...kinda goes against the whole extremist thing, right?

Also, what kind of ISLAMIC extremist group is ISIS which calls for violence DURING Ramadan, which is forbidden in Islam?

Omar declared he was doing this for ISIS. A little fact you left out.

 

[Tiapan]

USA is gun mad is this really unexpected.

cheers

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I understand what you are doing. You are trying to distance yourself from him and downplay his Muslim identity. You don't want him associated with your religion. Well, he was Muslim and yes he did practice his faith. In an interview with a co-worker (Daniel Gilroy) it was made clear that Mateen brought his prayer rug to work with him and regularly prayed, so your comment of "Omar Mateen never practiced his faith." is horse ****. Not to mention he made phone calls to the 9-1-1 center and told them he was affiliated with ISIS. The rest of his persona are all inner demons that anyone can have.

You may not like it, but the fact is that radical Muslim extremists are the terrorists that the world sees.

He brought his prayer rug according to some guy and prayed? Oh yeah that's very practicing, did he do that before or after going for alcoholic drinks and having sexual relations with men and women outside of his marriage and openly advertising himself on dating sites?

 

[Neo Deist]

He brought his prayer rug according to some guy and prayed? Oh yeah that's very practicing, did he do that before or after going for alcoholic drinks and having sexual relations with men and women outside of his marriage and openly advertising himself on dating sites?

You'd have to ask him that...oh, wait.

 

[RedDragon94]

Islam extremism as we know is partially a bi-product of British/American ways of living

How?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How?

It starts with British colonialism, and promising freedom if the people rose against the Ottoman Empire and helped overthrow them. However, not only did they break that promise, they and France took it upon themselves to draw up borders, borders that put warring tribes and sectarian groups into the same state (they traditionally just avoided each other for the most part). This broken promise lead the a swell of nationalism, and from nationalism grew religious extremism, and nurtured by continued involvement with the English, Americans, and Russians things like the Islamic Revolution happened, groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban grew in size, control, and military might. America invaded Iraq twice, executed Saddam, installed a new government, and now we have ISIS.

 

[RedDragon94]

It starts with British colonialism, and promising freedom if the people rose against the Ottoman Empire and helped overthrow them. However, not only did they break that promise, they and France took it upon themselves to draw up borders, borders that put warring tribes and sectarian groups into the same state (they traditionally just avoided each other for the most part). This broken promise lead the a swell of nationalism, and from nationalism grew religious extremism, and nurtured by continued involvement with the English, Americans, and Russians things like the Islamic Revolution happened, groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban grew in size, control, and military might. America invaded Iraq twice, executed Saddam, installed a new government, and now we have ISIS.

So what's the answer to this? Endless war?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what's the answer to this? Endless war?

Withdrawing, leaving them alone, letting them claim their own land and resources, letting them fight their own wars and solve their own problems, letting them draw their own borders, establish their own governments, and letting them declare their own sovereignty. It doesn't have to be endless war, but it primes a place for perpetual war when outsiders are constantly trying to run the show.

 

[MuslimGirlDebater]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

A man armed with at least an assault rifle and a pistol entered a LGBT nightclub and opened fire. At least 50 people were murdered and another 50+ were injured. The death toll is expected to go up based on the critically injured that were transported to the hospital.

The man's name is Omar Mateen, and he was killed by police when they stormed the club. Omar is an American born Muslim, a Florida native, and had pledged allegiance to ISIS. He actually called 9-1-1 just before the attack and told the operator of his affiliation to ISIS.

This, during Ramadan, and with the ISIS leadership calling out for world wide violence.

For the anti-Trump people, this could not have happened at a worse time. This type of event will fuel Trump's desire to stop Muslim immigrants from entering the USA. It will have a bandwagon effect. I am aware that this man was American born, but since he is Muslim, it will fuel the hatred of that label.

I think it's a bit too old now. Blaming religion.

I think it's a known fact that terrorism has no religion. Must we repeat it always?

 

[Neo Deist]

I think it's a bit too old now. Blaming religion.

I think it's a known fact that terrorism has no religion. Must we repeat it always?

Why is it that non-terrorist Muslims are crying foul over some radical, extremist Muslim that committed a terrorist act? Those of us with at least half a brain know the difference. Let's not try and hide the fact that he was indeed a Muslim, and he claimed to be affiliated with ISIS...which is a group of radical Muslims. Do you see a pattern?

I don't see radical Buddhists or Hindus doing this type of crap.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is it that non-terrorist Muslims are crying foul over some radical, extremist Muslim that committed a terrorist act? Those of us with at least half a brain know the difference. Let's not try and hide the fact that he was indeed a Muslim, and he claimed to be affiliated with ISIS...which is a group of radical Muslims. Do you see a pattern?

Except it's more than just that. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and transsexuals who live lives of denial, shame, and emotional torment can be very destructive - drug abuse tends to be the more common method of destruction, and tragically frequent the destruction is suicide. It's not just religion we need to focus on, but also that it is a crime against the LBGT community, and the damage that anti-LBGT views, policies, and laws can cause.

I don't see radical Buddhists or Hindus doing this type of crap.

Buddhists:
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/
The fault lines of conflict are often spiritual, one religion chafing against another and kindling bloodletting contrary to the values girding each faith. Over the past year in parts of Asia, it is friction between Buddhism and Islam that has killed hundreds, mostly Muslims. The violence is being fanned by extremist Buddhist monks, who preach a dangerous form of religious chauvinism to their followers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
Violence in Buddhism refers to Buddhists who perform acts of violence which go against their beliefs of their religion. Buddhism is generally seen as among the religious traditions least associated with violence,[1] but in the history of Buddhism there have been acts of violence directed, fomented or inspired by Buddhists.[2]
Hindus:
A Hindu man killed Gandhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
Saffron terror is a neologism used to describe acts of violence motivated by Hindu nationalism. The acts are allegedly perpetrated by members, or alleged members of Hindu nationalist organizations Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Abhinav Bharat.[1][2] However, in some cases the motivation for the acts has not been clearly determined,[3] and in others it has been determined to be unrelated to Hindu nationalism.[4][5] The term comes from the symbolic use made of the saffron colour by the Hindu nationalist organisations.[6][7][8][9]
http://www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror
In India, this violence is supported by Hindu extremists and their allies in the Indian government, which is currently led by the Bharatiya Janata Party.
https://news.vice.com/article/chris...more-persecution-by-hindu-extremists-in-india
Violent attacks on religious minorities in India averaged one attack per day last year, a rising number that has led a coalition of US Congress members to plead with India's leaders to condemn the violence.

 

[Sabour]

Omar declared he was doing this for ISIS. A little fact you left out.

Who said ISIS were right or they are Islam?

Doing it for ISIS is worse than all the things mentioned.

 

[Sabour]

I don't see radical Buddhists or Hindus doing this type of crap.

Blame the media ...

 

[dgirl1986]

I haven't read all the posts but I think it should be noted that this man was a self hating sexually confused dude.

 

[Watchmen]

I haven't read all the posts but I think it should be noted that this man was a self hating sexually confused dude.

Who declared loyalty to ISIS (perhaps as a twisted way to absolve himself of the "sin" of homosexuality).

 

[dgirl1986]

Who declared loyalty to ISIS (perhaps as a twisted way to absolve himself of the "sin" of homosexuality).

That is most likely his way of atonement of his "depravity"

 

[Neo Deist]

Except it's more than just that. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and transsexuals who live lives of denial, shame, and emotional torment can be very destructive - drug abuse tends to be the more common method of destruction, and tragically frequent the destruction is suicide. It's not just religion we need to focus on, but also that it is a crime against the LBGT community, and the damage that anti-LBGT views, policies, and laws can cause.

Buddhists:
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/
The fault lines of conflict are often spiritual, one religion chafing against another and kindling bloodletting contrary to the values girding each faith. Over the past year in parts of Asia, it is friction between Buddhism and Islam that has killed hundreds, mostly Muslims. The violence is being fanned by extremist Buddhist monks, who preach a dangerous form of religious chauvinism to their followers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
Violence in Buddhism refers to Buddhists who perform acts of violence which go against their beliefs of their religion. Buddhism is generally seen as among the religious traditions least associated with violence,[1] but in the history of Buddhism there have been acts of violence directed, fomented or inspired by Buddhists.[2]
Hindus:
A Hindu man killed Gandhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
Saffron terror is a neologism used to describe acts of violence motivated by Hindu nationalism. The acts are allegedly perpetrated by members, or alleged members of Hindu nationalist organizations Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Abhinav Bharat.[1][2] However, in some cases the motivation for the acts has not been clearly determined,[3] and in others it has been determined to be unrelated to Hindu nationalism.[4][5] The term comes from the symbolic use made of the saffron colour by the Hindu nationalist organisations.[6][7][8][9]
http://www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror
In India, this violence is supported by Hindu extremists and their allies in the Indian government, which is currently led by the Bharatiya Janata Party.
https://news.vice.com/article/chris...more-persecution-by-hindu-extremists-in-india
Violent attacks on religious minorities in India averaged one attack per day last year, a rising number that has led a coalition of US Congress members to plead with India's leaders to condemn the violence.

You know what I meant by that. When the term "terrorist" is used, the first thing most people imagine is a Middle Eastern radical Muslim.

 

[jonathan180iq]

If we're going to openly refer to him as a "Muslim Terrorist" or "Islamic Radical" because that was at least some part of his personal identity, shouldn't we also refer to him by ALL of the things that were part of his personal identity?

I mean, if we want to have the most accurate description of the person and not be driven by our personal agendas or media-inspired narratives, let's tack on all of the descriptors that we know of:

Omar Mateen was a:

• Male Terrorist (Non-Female Radical)
• Selfie-loving Sociopath
• American-Born Extremist
• Gun Owning Murderer
• Sexually Promiscuous Fanatic
• Self-loathing Zealot
• Ultra Conservative Killer
• Metrosexual Monomaniac
• Cock-sucking Extremist

All of those ridiculous things are just as viable in explaining his behavior as saying he's a Radical Islamist, aren't they?

It's very easy to take something that we don't like and spin a narrative around it which mentally let's us separate ourselves from it. In doing so, we are convincing ourselves that we are better than that which we hate, giving us a justification for acting out against the "other". But the truth is, he was an American. Raised here and educated through public schools. He was a capitalist consumer. He shopped at the same stores and ate at the same restaurants as you and I. He probably stood in line for hours to buy the new iPhone when it came out, just like you did. He had a favorite toilet paper brand and hated getting rain water on his favorite pair of Cap-Toe Balmorals that he ordered from Barney's in New York. He was, up until this point, a law-abiding citizen, who held a job and legally owned a couple guns...

If you are calling for a ban on Muslim Immigrants but you aren't similarly calling for a ban on American Metrosexual males who are also, selfie-loving, consumerist, job-holding, sexually-confused gun owners who have, on occasion, jerked off a dude he met on the internet, then you are being intellectually dishonest, aren't you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You know what I meant by that. When the term "terrorist" is used, the first thing most people imagine is a Middle Eastern radical Muslim.

No, I apparently don't know what you mean. You pointed at Islam as if that is the only variable in this case when clearly it's not, and you said we don't see such things from Buddhists and Hindus, which is a false statement.