A challenge for Christians

[lilithu]

Being a Christian most certainly does matter, and the idea of universalism is absurd. If everyone is going to be saved then what reason is there to obey God?

Um... because it's the right thing to do??? Because of love? Hello?


Out of all the questions that get asked on RF, this is the one that just freaks me out. Is it really the case that there are a bunch of psychopaths out there and the only reason why they're not on murderous rampages is because they're afraid of an even bigger bully than they are?

 

[wizanda]

Well I guess it depends on how different they interpret Jesus teachings.

If they promote anger towards their fellow man instead of forgiveness I'd say they weren't following Jesus teachings at all.

Luk 14:26-27
(26) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
(27) And whosoever doth not bear his cross (Infinity), and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

This is understood in: you can not serve two masters....so in loving God completely you can then love others fully.....yet lately also been pondering, can haters really learn not to be....if real light blinds them?


So with what love is light given by God in the first place, illuminates the picture afterwards...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What authority have you Got for speaking for Mormons ?
Both yoursuppositions and conclusions are equally wrong.

You might regain some token respect if you made your own case for being a Christian; Which I could understand you might be find to be difficult; but you do nothing for your position by attacking others by stating untruths.

 

[JayHawes]

How can you be sure you are being a Christian if no one is sure when somone is or is not a Christian? You have to know what something is before you can be one.

A Christian is known by the fruit he or she bares. Jesus is the model for a Christian, we are to reach to be moreike him.

 

[JayHawes]

Alot of people who don't know what a Christian is sure do like to tell others what a christian really is and is not...

 

[slabbey06]

How can you be sure you are being a Christian if no one is sure when somone is or is not a Christian? You have to know what something is before you can be one.

This is so true! You have to know what it means to be a Christian before you can know if you are one. My suggestion would be to read the New Testament and see what it says on the issue. I could tell you what I believe, but why not read for yourself?

 

[JayHawes]

When people without the Holy Sprirt suppose themselves to be all wise, we get blind, dumb, ignorant, and stupid interpretations of scripture.

 

[Vassal]

What authority have you Got for speaking for Mormons ?
Both yoursuppositions and conclusions are equally wrong.

You might regain some token respect if you made your own case for being a Christian; Which I could understand you might be find to be difficult; but you do nothing for your position by attacking others by stating untruths.

Funny how I have to go over this every time. That is what the Mormon Church teaches. Go read their website.

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-6,00.html
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSO...M100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0

 

[Bishka]

Funny how I have to go over this every time. That is what the Mormon Church teaches. Go read their website.

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-6,00.html
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSO...M100000176f620a____&hideNav=1&contentLocale=0

Funny how you keep brining that into threads that it has nothing to about. This isn't about the LDS Church's doctrine; it's about whether the people listed you think are Christian. Stick to the topic.

Edit: How about you let us present our teachings and leave the interpretation to us. Works a lot better for everyone when you stick to what you believe in.

 

[UnityNow101]

People always criticize others for having a particular interpretation of scripture yet they fail to see that what they have is the same thing...An interpretation as well. Until we realize that none of us have full truth, then it is just a never ending argument between people that hang-on to the same false premises.

 

[Vassal]

Funny how you keep brining that into threads that it has nothing to about. This isn't about the LDS Church's doctrine; it's about whether the people listed you think are Christian. Stick to the topic.

Edit: How about you let us present our teachings and leave the interpretation to us. Works a lot better for everyone when you stick to what you believe in.

So are you trying to say there is no difference between the Jesus in the Bible and the Jesus taught by the LDS Church? There clearly is. Unless LDS.org isn't the "Official Web site of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" as it claims to be?

 

[Bishka]

So are you trying to say there is no difference between the Jesus in the Bible and the Jesus taught by the LDS Church? There clearly is. Unless LDS.org isn't the "Official Web site of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" as it claims to be?

Again, this is for a different thread.

 

[Vassal]

People always criticize others for having a particular interpretation of scripture yet they fail to see that what they have is the same thing...An interpretation as well. Until we realize that none of us have full truth, then it is just a never ending argument between people that hang-on to the same false premises.

Are you saying that these verses don't have a clear meaning? If they don't mean there is only a single God and never will there be another, then what is your "alternate interpretation"?

Isaiah 43:10 (KJV) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 45:5-6 (KJV) 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

 

[JayHawes]

People always criticize others for having a particular interpretation of scripture yet they fail to see that what they have is the same thing...An interpretation as well. Until we realize that none of us have full truth, then it is just a never ending argument between people that hang-on to the same false premises.

UNtil we understand that there is only one full truth, and real interpretation, then it is just a never ending argument between two people that hang on twqo different interpretaions. The Holy Spirit gives one type of interpretation, any other type is of something else- some other origin. And GOd is not the author of confusion.

 

[Vassal]

Again, this is for a different thread.

Just as I suspected.

 

[Bishka]

Just as I suspected.

It's common courtesy to keep threads on track. I will gladly discuss this with you in another thread. I do not have a problem with that. Please start one and perhaps we could have a lively discussion on the topic. This topic has been beat to death, but perhaps one more time will not hurt. Hope to see a thread from you.

 

[JayHawes]

Just as I suspected.

They view the Book of Mormon to be just as inspired as the Bible. And some Mormons view the teachings of their prophets, Apostles, and Presidetns to be good for doctrine as well. This causes them to come up with what we view as another Jesus. One LDS President even confesssed that the LDS do worship a different Jesus.....what excuses Mormons here will have I dont know yet....

 

[UnityNow101]

But who out of the 3,500 different denominations is endowed with the Holy Spirit, if I may ask? We all worship the same God. Whether we call Him Adonai, Jehovah, Allah or God, it all refers to ONE God. What is so hard to understand about that? There is ONE God and we all choose to call Him by different names.

 

[Bishka]

They view the Book of Mormon to be just as inspired as the Bible. And some Mormons view the teachings of their prophets, Apostles, and Presidetns to be good for doctrine as well. This causes them to come up with what we view as another Jesus. One LDS President even confesssed that the LDS do worship a different Jesus.....what excuses Mormons here will have I dont know yet....

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the thread, so why post it?

 

[gnomon]

A challenge for any Christians who are game:

Please define "Christian."

Using your definition, which of the following people are Christian?

Rev. Fred Phelps
Rev. Troy Perry
Bishop Carlton Pearson
Pope Innocent III
Gandhi
Mit Romney
Jimmy Carter
Rev. Ted Haggard
Kent Hovind
Hitler
John Shelby Spong
Rev. Jerry Falwell
James Kopp

Just ask me if you don't know who any of them are.

Thanks.

I'll answer the list but first I must know which of these people vote or would vote Republican.









Okay, bad joke. Slapping myself now.