A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

[Meow Mix]

Yeah, drug addiction, racism, and murder happen under Islamic law. I didn't claim that an Islamic state is a Utopia.

But we can compare by statistics.

It's not about the individual scale, and that's what I tried to show you earlier in the seatbelt example. It's about the wider scale; the society. It's not about your individual freedom of religion, or how you live individually. It's about the health of the entire society.

The places with the highest quality of life are the places with some of the highest rates of organic secularism. That is a fact.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

So if you believe in an afterlife then why not let people love who they will in this life and be happy together, and then if Allah is not pleased with them then only the one truly capable of judging -- Allah Himself -- can do so?

Why have the society stop people who love each other?

A good question. Will need more time to answer that, and I have to go now

 

[Meow Mix]

A good question. Will need more time to answer that, and I have to go now

Ok, good chat! Have a good night/day, depending on what it is over there now

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Ok, good chat! Have a good night/day, depending on what it is over there now

Yeah, it's 4 am, and I have to wake up at 6

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Good chat indeed

 

[beenie]

wow.
It looks like ALL the Muslims here on RF have me on ignore....

i don't.

 

[Autodidact]

I absolutely have no problem with the fatwas,
Maybe the part that I might disagree a little with is the last one. I think the relationship with a kafir should be moderate, not too close and at the same time being kind with them, no problem with that.

You reject "Relationships based on mutual affection, love and brotherhood" with non-Muslims?!?!

 

[Autodidact]

Of course, I understand. I don't think Islam said we shouldn't be kind to or have some sort of relation with non Muslims, however I think it shouldn't be very close friendship, [SIZE=-1]the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend.". As I said, taking the middle path is better.[/SIZE]

Wouldn't that go both ways? And what with Islam being so logical, and the proof the qur'an being contained within it, wouldn't this result in more non-Muslims being converted to Islam than vice versa?

 

[Rakhel]

With my limited understanding of Islam being what it is, I understand why some of those fatwas are what they are. The only one that doesn't make sense to me is the 'no buying flowers for the sick.'

 

[beenie]

as a Muslim, I don't need fatwas to tell me

who to be friends with
how to greet non-Muslims
what gifts I can take to them
how to cover myself

I believe we have free choice. if we choose wisely, we succeed in our faith; if we choose foolishly, well...we're risking our own future.

shariah doesn't sanction this. religious law, of course, has its rules, but as I Muslim I am answerable to Allah and Allah alone.

those fatwas sound like we're completely incapable of coherent thought.

 

[beenie]

Mohammad really said that?
Do you think he meant that Muslims are so weak in their faith that they can not even be around others who do not share said faith?

I have to admit, that one has me stumped too. I'll have to look into the full context of that situation.

my guess would be that it's akin to the saying "you're known by the company you keep"...but I'll see what I can find.

 

[Rakhel]

as a Muslim, I don't need fatwas to tell me

who to be friends with
how to greet non-Muslims
what gifts I can take to them
how to cover myself

I believe we have free choice. if we choose wisely, we succeed in our faith; if we choose foolishly, well...we're risking our own future.

shariah doesn't sanction this. religious law, of course, has its rules, but as I Muslim I am answerable to Allah and Allah alone.

those fatwas sound like we're completely incapable of coherent thought.

Before talking to Muslims and reading some of the posts on this forum, I would have thought that myself.

 

[McBell]

Excuse me,

IF one can be found...

up to that post, I didn't find any of your earlier posts worth the attention.

That is fine.
Luckily for Islam I am not limited to the nonsense many Muslims post on the internet.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then he is definitely the luckiest guy in the state.

Not when his soul is at stake, right?

 

[McBell]

Muslims are not weak in their faith, and we are ordered to be open to other societies and ideologies.

See, you take offense when no offense was offered.

And you did not answer the question to boot.

 

[Father Heathen]

What if someone thinks s/he should walk naked in public? do you want that to be acceptable in your state?

Why not? It's just the human body.

 

[Father Heathen]

I didn't live in America before, but I'm quite certain that such freedom has lots of drawbacks that you are not considering. You might want to read statistics about suicides, rape, drinking, HIV, some other diseases, etc..

Those problems aren't caused by freedom, and oppressing people isn't an acceptable solution.

 

[McBell]

I have to admit, that one has me stumped too. I'll have to look into the full context of that situation.

Thank you.

my guess would be that it's akin to the saying "you're known by the company you keep"...but I'll see what I can find.

Would that not be in direct conflict with Jesus?
I mean, Jesus went to great lengths to be amongst the sinners.

However, I agree that context may very well reveal a lot.
I appreciate your taking the time to look into it.

 

[Bismillah]

Because Saudi legislators are definitely the epitome of Muslim faith

 

[Caladan]

What do you mean, Dan?

Honestly the thought that I would never be able to enjoy looking at attractive women as a healthy man, that just sounds utterly demoralizing. we are men, oppress our sexual drive and we become only half men, and only half alive.