A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

[Bismillah]

We are men, they are women. all we really think about half the time is screwing each other, its in our instincts.. good luck repressing that one, and any man who does that, can never really please any woman.

It really is quite liberating to be freed from such base desires. What do you think pleases a women?

Ah, but do they need your respect?

I never said they did. It runs against your argument that "there is nothing they can do" and shows that I don't consider myself superior to women. Just those who cop out. A person that wants my friendship though has to earn my respect.

 

[Caladan]

It really is quite liberating to be freed from such base desires. What do you think pleases a women?

oh, that is really some of the most depressive thing I have ever heard. my instincts and active sexuality is one my most basic things.

 

[Bismillah]

oh, that is really some of the most depressive thing I have ever heard. my instincts and active sexuality is one my most basic things.

Wouldn't it be ironic if I thought that letting sex be a fundemental part of you

some of the most depressive thing I have ever heard

But please do not feel bad, since I do not have to pay attention to women until I am married there are many less distractions while studying

Also, caladan what do you think pleases a women?

 

[Caladan]

Also, caladan what do you think pleases a women?

now THAT would get me banned.

 

[Bismillah]

now THAT would get me banned.

I think I have a general idea

If I go the gym and stay fit for my future wife, do you think that would please her? I think one of the things that would please her the most is that she is the only women that I would and will want to have relations with. Think of how the idea of virginity is so highly prized in the West. That is what pleases Muslim women in my opinion.

 

[Caladan]

I think I have a general idea

If I go the gym and stay fit for my future wife, do you think that would please her? I think one of the things that would please her the most is that she is the only woman that I would and will want to have relations with. Think of how the idea of virginity is so highly prized in the West. That is what pleases Muslim women in my opinion.

I have never cheated on any woman I have been with. but I instinctively look at attravcive women who may pass me by or are around me, its very naturel, and its impossibe to reverse man's nature, it would literaly make a man insane, and unfit for sexual relations idolizing his woman like that and repressive his most basic and primal drive.
furthermore, virginity is nothing to be proud of, I hate to be with inexperienced women.

 

[Bismillah]

I have never cheated on any women I have been with. but I instinctively look at attravtive women who may pass me by or are around me, its very naturel,

Are you cheating your wife if you have had relations with a women prior to her? Furthermore, even if you do not cheat, a huge majority of people of people who eyeball every girl in a miniskirt do. It's great that you don't, but you are not representative of the majority.

and its impossibe to reverse man's nature, it would literaly make a man insane, and unfit for sexual relations idolizing his woman like that.

How is it impossible when it is done? How does it cause insanity when perfectly sane people ascribe to a system like that. You can't seem to grasp that in Islam the women you marry is literally treated like a princess, a saying that is fond among most Westerners when they describe they beloved ones.

furthermore, virginity is nothing to be proud of, I hate to be with inexperienced women.

You hate it because you are experienced. If both the bride and groom are virgins I assure you their experience will be very different. Furthermore, it only makes the relationship that much closer when you both become "experienced" with each other, rather than the random girl who caught your fancy at a party.

 

[Sunstone]

Are you cheating your wife if you have had relations with a women prior to her?

Nope. Why would anyone suppose you were?

 

[Caladan]

How is it impossible when it is done? How does it cause insanity when perfectly sane people ascribe to a system like that. You can't seem to grasp that in Islam the women you marry is literally treated like a princess, a saying that is fond among most Westerners when they describe they beloved ones.

Oh believe me.. I have had enough of princesses...

You hate it because you are experienced. If both the bride and groom are virgins I assure you their experience will be very different. Furthermore, it only makes the relationship that much closer when you both become "experienced" with each other, rather than the random girl who caught your fancy at a party.

I completely disagree, the whole point is to bring a variety of exprience from a variety different women who do things differently, Im sure that two virgins who get together, and stay together all their lives, would never get as much out of sex as two experienced people who join together.

 

[Bismillah]

Nope. Why would anyone suppose you were?

You are certainly taking from your wife something, that I believe should be, could have been hers only.

Oh believe me.. I have had enough of princesses...

There is give and take as well I'm sure you know? It is not one sided affection for the wife.

I completely disagree, the whole point is to bring a variety of exprience from a variety different women who do things differently, Im sure that two virgins who get together, and stay together all their lives, would never get as much out of sex as two experienced people who join together.

Yet, one can never know of the other right? You make a decision and you belong to a category between the two. Even if you are right, not that I believe you are, the couple who have married when they were virgins would never know that they are experiencing something "sub-par" They are perfectly content with each other. The truth of the matter is, who you lose you virginity to matters and if you do so with the person you married, then that experience is invaluable.

 

[Sunstone]

You are certainly taking from your wife something, that I believe should be, could have been hers only.

I don't see what you are "certainly taking from your wife". That's a mystery.

 

[Caladan]

Yet, one can never know of the other right? You make a decision and you belong to a category between the two. Even if you are right, not that I believe you are, the couple who have married when they were virgins would never know that they are experiencing something "sub-par" They are perfectly content with each other. The truth of the matter is, who you lose you virginity to matters and if you do so with the person you married, then that experience is invaluable.

Sorry, I don't buy it. its sounds over sentimental, over dramatic, and the stuff of fairy talse.

 

[Sunstone]

I completely disagree, the whole point is to bring a variety of exprience from a variety different women who do things differently, Im sure that two virgins who get together, and stay together all their lives, would never get as much out of sex as two experienced people who join together.

Sex is about the only area of human life that a huge number of people -- against all empirical evidence -- believe experience is counter-productive. In fact, sex is like everything else -- all else being equal, it is improved by experience.

 

[AuroraWillow]

What's so wonderful about maintaining virginity and "the first time"? Most people that I know don't talk about their first time having sex as if it were some glorious experience. Sex gets better when you have it more often, not when you have no idea what you're doing.

I think the idea of maintaining virginity until some special predetermined moment is the stuff of idealism.

 

[Bismillah]

I don't see what you are "certainly taking from your wife". That's a mystery.

Sunstone are you telling me that most Western women do not loathe to be introduced to exes?

Sex is about the only area of human life that a huge number of people -- against all empirical evidence -- believe experience is counter-productive. In fact, sex is like everything else -- all else being equal, it is improved by experience.

And if you improve your experience with your partner it is all the more intimate.

Sorry, I don't buy it. its sounds over sentimental, over dramatic, and the stuff of fairy talse.

Not much else to say when it actually happens.

 

[McBell]

If both the bride and groom are virgins I assure you their experience will be very different.

Based on what?
I mean, what is your basis for comparison?

Furthermore, it only makes the relationship that much closer when you both become "experienced" with each other, rather than the random girl who caught your fancy at a party.

This is nothing more than your opinion.
However, I am interested in your basis for comparison on this as well.

 

[Bismillah]

Based on what?
I mean, what is your basis for comparison?

Simple reasoning. What basis would a virgin couple have to draw on experiences prior to compare? None and that is the point.

This is nothing more than your opinion.
However, I am interested in your basis for comparison on this as well.

This whole discussion is opinion just because you don't agree with mine doesn't make it wrong

If we are going to argue over this for a couple more pages, this thread has served its purpose I believe.

 

[Rakhel]

I have met two of my husband's exes. I did not loath meeting them, but I was a little apprehensive. With good reason. The one was an absolute nutcase who couldn't understand what he saw in me when he could have had an unhappily married woman, while the other just wanted to be his mother.
In seeing them, I saw what he didn't want in a woman.

 

[McBell]

Simple reasoning. What basis would a virgin couple have to draw on experiences prior to compare? None and that is the point.

So basically you are saying that you have nothing for your basis of comparison?
And you expect to be taken seriously?

This whole discussion is opinion just because you don't agree with mine doesn't make it wrong

One wonders why you feel you are wrong.
I never made any such claim.

If we are going to argue over this for a couple more pages, this thread has served its purpose I believe.

I ask you one little question and you are ready to run with your tail tucked?

 

[Bismillah]

I ask you one little question and you are ready to run with your tail tucked?

If it fulfills your ego sure I've grown weary over a conversation based on anecdotal evidence, opinions, and beliefs. It's simple enough that our opinions differ and that when it comes down to it most Muslim women are at least as pleased with their husbands as their non-Muslim counterparts are.