A huge problem with the JW religion:

[Subduction Zone]

If you mean the 8 places found in Psalms 14 and 53 where the existing text uses Elohim, the 1984 version of the NWT tells us in footnotes at these 8 places: "One of 8 scribal changes from YHWH to Elohim. See App[endix] 1B."

And App. 1B explains: "According to Gins.[Int], pp. 368, 369, in some instances the Jewish Sopherim substituted Elohim for the Tetragrammaton. We restored the original reading in eight places and rendered it as 'Jehovah' ...."

So if anyone believes otherwise, the WTS has provided its reason for the rendering of Jehovah in each of these 8 places and lets the reader decide how valid it is. If you don't like the NWT using 'Jehovah' in these 8 places, they have pointed out the reason in each instance, and you are welcome to substitute 'God.'

This is much more honest than the typical trinitarian-translated Bibles which have substituted 'LORD' (and even 'Lord') for YHWH in over 5000 places! Many do so with no explanation in these places.

I will trust scholars more than amateur supporters of a rather extreme approach to a religion.

What is there evidence for scribes changing the text?

 

[sooda]

I will trust scholars more than amateur supporters of a rather extreme approach to a religion.

What is there evidence for scribes changing the text?

Scribes were usually just copyists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Scribes were usually just copyists.

I know. That is why I asked for evidence of the claimed change by the JW's.

That does not seem to be the sort of change that a scribe would make.

 

[sooda]

I know. That is why I asked for evidence of the claimed change by the JW's.

That does not seem to be the sort of change that a scribe would make.

Weren't they Millerites or something?

 

[sooda]

Yep. A cult following of a single preacher...

The Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller, who in 1833 first shared publicly his belief that the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur in roughly the year 1843–1844. Coming during the Second Great Awakening, his beliefs were taken as predictions, spread widely, and were believed by many, leading to the Great Disappointment.
Millerism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism

 

[Subduction Zone]

Weren't they Millerites or something?

Not sure. The Seventh Day Adventists arose from the Millerites and I don't think they play that game.

 

[sooda]

Not sure. The Seventh Day Adventists arose from the Millerites and I don't think they play that game.

I think JWs deny the connection and you can see why they would.

Jehovah's Witness Origins, Jehovah's Witness History ...
https://www.patheos.com/library/jehovahs-witnesses
The Jehovah's Witnesses tradition is a millennialist Protestant Christian sect founded in the late 19th century C.E. in the United States.

 

[kjw47]

Reasoning falsely is your failing. Do you know what a non sequitur is? That is what you tried to use. But then the JW church gives their members a rather cultic logic. Would you like to try to learn how we know that Genesis is myth? The good news about n Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark being myths is that means one does not have to believe in an evil and incompetent God to be a Christian.

I wouldn't listen to your teachers for anything on earth. If you believe the bible. It teaches God inspired the words in it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wouldn't listen to your teachers for anything on earth. If you believe the bible. It teaches God inspired the words in it.

It is too bad that reality scares you. Oddly the JW church tries to frighten their members into a weak faith.

 

[kjw47]

It is too bad that reality scares you. Oddly the JW church tries to frighten their members into a weak faith.

Actually I studied both sides and studied the teachings of Jesus= 0 doubt in all creation, the JW teachers are correct.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually I studied both sides and studied the teachings of Jesus= 0 doubt in all creation, the JW teachers are correct.

You almost certainly did a poor job of studying. I have yet to see a creationist thar even understands the concept of evidence. I can prove that the JW teachers are fools or liars.

 

[theQuestion]

Having "having shared belief, working towards common goals and loyalty" is part of being a True Christian.
Yet if that loyalty is DIVIDED, one's faith is flawed, and thus there are Watchtowerites, as implied above.

I've been a JW for well over 30 years- and have NEVER accepted some of the goofy opinions the have had (and still DO) about God's prophecies, and Jesus' reference to Christians being "Faithful & Discreet"- rather than to a 'Class'.

I am STILL in 'good standing', even though they know how I feel on these things, and welcome me to the meetings with open arms!

The implications of some kind of robotic slave labor is tragilarious!

 

[theQuestion]

When I was growing up in New Jersey I had a friend whose family are JWs. Senior year of HS he told his family he was no longer JW and was kicked out of house. He spent the last 5 months of school living with us. Last I heard he's had zero contact with his family despite attempts to reach out.[/QUOTE

They wouldn't "kick him out" unless he was doing something wrong- or they were Watchtowerites.

 

[Ancient Soul]

The Bible restored.

You would think that the Jehovah's Witnesses could start to see their error if they studied the history of the Bible. Their name alone should tell them of their flaws. "Jehovah" is merely a poor anglicization of the Hebrew word for God. Yahweh is closer.

They are not allowed to talk about, watch, listen to, or read anything about their mythology other than Watchtower approved material.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Having "having shared belief, working towards common goals and loyalty" is part of being a True Christian.
Yet if that loyalty is DIVIDED, one's faith is flawed, and thus there are Watchtowerites, as implied above.

I've been a JW for well over 30 years- and have NEVER accepted some of the goofy opinions the have had (and still DO) about God's prophecies, and Jesus' reference to Christians being "Faithful & Discreet"- rather than to a 'Class'.

I am STILL in 'good standing', even though they know how I feel on these things, and welcome me to the meetings with open arms!

The implications of some kind of robotic slave labor is tragilarious!

If they are making you say that, just wink three times and I'll send in an extraction team.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Having "having shared belief, working towards common goals and loyalty" is part of being a True Christian.
Yet if that loyalty is DIVIDED, one's faith is flawed, and thus there are Watchtowerites, as implied above.

I've been a JW for well over 30 years- and have NEVER accepted some of the goofy opinions the have had (and still DO) about God's prophecies, and Jesus' reference to Christians being "Faithful & Discreet"- rather than to a 'Class'.

I am STILL in 'good standing', even though they know how I feel on these things, and welcome me to the meetings with open arms!

The implications of some kind of robotic slave labor is tragilarious!

That is nice to hear. So you reject their ridiculous literal interpretation of the mythical parts of the Bible too, or at least I hope that you do.

 

[TiggerII]

They are not allowed to talk about, watch, listen to, or read anything about their mythology other than Watchtower approved material.

That's ridiculous. It's true we should be united in our teaching, but for forty years now I have continued to read and talk about (even online) trinitarian 'evidence,' Greek and Hebrew Grammars by non-JWs, numerous Bibles, interlinears, etc.

 

[Ancient Soul]

That's ridiculous. It's true we should be united in our teaching, but for forty years now I have continued to read and talk about (even online) trinitarian 'evidence,' Greek and Hebrew Grammars by non-JWs, numerous Bibles, interlinears, etc.

I didn't say any JW cannot sneak around and talk about, watch, listen to, or read anything about their mythology other than Watchtower approved material behind their backs. But you had better not let the Watchtower minions find out. It's not ALLOWED.

 

[kjw47]

I didn't say any JW cannot sneak around and talk about, watch, listen to, or read anything about their mythology other than Watchtower approved material behind their backs. But you had better not let the Watchtower minions find out. It's not ALLOWED.

I have read a few apostate writings. There were lies in every one of them. Those point the finger every where but where its deserved-self. God says --do not even eat a meal with one who was baptized and became unrepentant.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have read a few apostate writings. There were lies in every one of them. Those point the finger every where but where its deserved-self. God says --do not even eat a meal with one who was baptized and became unrepentant.

Where does God say that? I am betting that you are rather confused at best.