A Personal View About Visions

[Darkwater]

CB,who is promoting Euthenasia?If you get a hold of one batter him for me,or I'll be down on the next train to Greenock if he is a *big one*...

Choose life,even in death choose life.........I heard a weird occurence where a Rocat committed suicide to be with his son who had been killed in a road accident.Even though this was done,in love,I would not advocate it.

I prefer the story of the poor man & woman who had a kind & generous son who killed himself when another baby arrived.

The poor man lived his entire life,to great age,unable to understand why his kind & loving son did kill himself unable to figure out what he had done or how he had failed to notice his son's unhappiness(surely he was not happy?).

The poor man met his son in dream one night where the boy explained to his father that their was not enough to go around & he did kill himself so as his younger brother could be better provided for.

The old man was free from the guilt which he cad carried around with himself & was able to rest peacefully,in love,able to understand the motive,accept this,forgivehimself & his son in love.

Very sad business Euthenasia,all too common in the West Coast of Scotland with all the Macho B*u*l*l*s*h*i*t flying around.

Hey Dopp,travelling at speed of thought is great,once you have to *think* about this it slows you down,I felt the *friction*.....did you ever get the feeling of rubbing up against billowing parachute silk,kinda.

Travelling fully conscious(SLOW) is cool as you get to figure *manouvres*,such as *Bearclaw* where you are out of a place,speeding in the opposite direction faster than you went in,before you *realise* you were near where you were trying to get too.

Have fun guy's....even in death,choose life.

My first fully conscious flight was into the Sun,made it after my 3rd attempt.Dived right in & it was great

ps-man is god
also :-man is not god

also true..Man is everything inbetween.

 

[SpiritualBeing]

Very true indeed Darkwater. I absolutely abhore euthanasia. If God gave us life, then why is is that we see fit to take it away ourselves?

My cousin, who stays in Ireland, has just had a miscarriage. Yet, instead of being filled up with uncontrolable grief, she accepted it as the will of God, and believed that it must have happened for a reason.

As in the story you have just told, it could be in order for her to pay more attention to her current son, baby Andrew. I believe that what you've just said is true.

 

[Ben Masada]

Very true indeed Darkwater. I absolutely abhore euthanasia. If God gave us life, then why is is that we see fit to take it away ourselves?

My cousin, who stays in Ireland, has just had a miscarriage. Yet, instead of being filled up with uncontrolable grief, she accepted it as the will of God, and believed that it must have happened for a reason.

As in the story you have just told, it could be in order for her to pay more attention to her current son, baby Andrew. I believe that what you've just said is true.

We never change! Always trying to blame God for our problems. God's will is to be understood as something God allows,
or wish, or wants it to happen. And it's not true that it was God's will that your cousin should have had a miscarriage.
The cause must be somewhere in her or around her.
Ben :sorry1:

 

[SpiritualBeing]

Excuse me Ben, you must have took it wrong. I believe that it is the divine will of Spirit that the tragic happenings occured. I do not blame God for the occurrence, but believe that it is the wll of Spirit and God that this happen. I take it as a thing we should listen to and try to interpret to take something positive out of it.

I do not believe that God takes lives out of spite. I believe that He and Spirit know when it is time for someone to die and start their Spiritual journey. I believe that the miscarriage was someone up in the Spirit plain saying the child was never to be.

 

[Ben Masada]

Excuse me Ben, you must have took it wrong. I believe that it is the divine will of Spirit that the tragic happenings occured. I do not blame God for the occurrence, but believe that it is the wll of Spirit and God that this happen. I take it as a thing we should listen to and try to interpret to take something positive out of it.

I do not believe that God takes lives out of spite. I believe that He and Spirit know when it is time for someone to die and start their Spiritual journey. I believe that the miscarriage was someone up in the Spirit plain saying the child was never to be.

Have you read my thread on "Freewill and Volition?" I think you are forcing God to
interfere with our freewill.

Ben

 

[SpiritualBeing]

Right, okay, so my cousin caused the miscarriage to happen of her own freewill? Listen, you and I obviously have different views of the Divine power, and I feel comfortable with my views and beliefs. I do not need someone else to portray me beliefs as something that is wrong.

 

[Darkwater]

Well guy's,when it comes to babies my philosophy is that you hope for the best,yet prepare for the worst.

With this in mind,as long as your wife is ok,anything else is a bonus.touch wood,cross fingers & do anything else you consider *lucky* or pray if you think that will help.

The mother's decision is sacrosanct,all you can do is somehow influence *her* as best you can.

Blaming or praising a fictitious entity has little to do with anything other than your programming to help you identify,accept and to love yourself.Act according to nature & each to thine own.

As far as they have the ability to uptake & to impart.

For the purposes of for this thread I am with Ben & think you are picking him up wrong CB.

I talked to my eldest son who *accepts* that he does not get as much attention as he *used to*,states he is "used to this" since Gregor appeared & is cool with the whole family dynamic.He obviously does freely give his love to the new baby & get's a big kick out of this,as he should(touch wood-take nothing for granted.)

 

[Darkwater]

I have no initiation in Kaballah. Why don't you give us a glimpse of what the grand
plan of universal cause is about?

Ben

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/img/12200.jpg

It is not very clear & some of the words are difficult for me to decipher.You describe Abrah/abraham pretty well on another thread.



This thread delineates 2 of the layers,the spheres & fires.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ions/69999-concerning-nine-outer-spheres.html

The energies of the planets are also useful,just reading about their size,weight,composition,speed,velocity...Mercury is most useful for my purposes.

:areyoucra

 

[Ben Masada]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/img/12200.jpg

It is not very clear & some of the words are difficult for me to decipher.You describe Abrah/abraham pretty well on another thread.



This thread delineates 2 of the layers,the spheres & fires.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ions/69999-concerning-nine-outer-spheres.html

The energies of the planets are also useful,just reading about their size,weight,composition,speed,velocity...Mercury is most useful for my purposes.

:areyoucra

Have you ever heard of the book "The Guide for the Perplexed" by Moses Maimonides? He gives some good ideas about spheres almost as if they have a mind of their own.

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

Oooh,just checked him out Ben.3 books of around 50 chapters,could be right up my street.

Fundamnetally flawed philosophy(Roman Catholic has this too!) where they attract evil ....no such thing as evil,all is love subject to who you love.

Where should he go,philosophy or religion,do you think....I am going to study him.

ty

Andy Guide for the Perplexed Index

cool Ben,cheers

 

[Ben Masada]

Oooh,just checked him out Ben.3 books of around 50 chapters,could be right up my street.

Fundamnetally flawed philosophy(Roman Catholic has this too!) where they attract evil ....no such thing as evil,all is love subject to who you love.

Where should he go,philosophy or religion,do you think....I am going to study him.

ty

Andy Guide for the Perplexed Index

cool Ben,cheers

Hi Darkwater,

You are going to find "The Guide for the Perplexed" very difficult to understand. I had to read it four times in order to have an idea of what the man means. Moses Maimonides was a famous Philosopher, Theologian and Medical Doctor. He was the only person who could harmonize being Philosopher and Theologian at the same time. There is another Jewish Philosopher whom I consider superior to Maimonides by name Baruch de Spinoza. More famous than Maimonides but he could not accomodate religion or Theology. Although he does have a good book on Theology whose title is "A Theologico-Political Treatise." But in Theology he could not surpass Maimonides.

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

Moses Maimonides is sound & very well defined,just needs to be updated a bit in order to be more multi-dimensional.

Book II seems the place to start for me,tackle book 1 later.

thanks again for the heads up,

Andy

 

[Japaholic]

To have a vision, one must be self-trained to be in control of the dream, which will then become a lucid dream.

Visions are known as lucid dreams, and they occur during that period of transition between deep sleep and the awaken state.

Certain prophets have had visions during the waking state. They are not lucid dreams. Lucid dreams are the conscious mind acting on the subconsious/unconsious mind.

Visions are of devine origin and of course can be delivered to the individual at any time because the message is from God.

They are, by their very nature, delivered when they are needed, when they will have the most effect on that individual and serve their intended purpose.

Some great some some, visions are for the chosen few to work with as instructed.

Lucid dreams are a mere toy for the intellectually gifted. Dreams are for everyone.

 

[Ben Masada]

Certain prophets have had visions during the waking state. They are not lucid dreams. Lucid dreams are the conscious mind acting on the subconsious/unconsious mind.

Visions are of devine origin and of course can be delivered to the individual at any time because the message is from God.

They are, by their very nature, delivered when they are needed, when they will have the most effect on that individual and serve their intended purpose.

Some great some some, visions are for the chosen few to work with as instructed.

Lucid dreams are a mere toy for the intellectually gifted. Dreams are for everyone.

Visions or lucid dreams, maybe Divinely inspired but they are never delivered in the
conscious state. If you read Numbers 12:6, it states in there that God reveals Himself to a Prophet only through a vision or dream.

Now, being lucid dreams the conscious mind acting on the subconscious, there is
some truth to that, considering that we can control our dreams thus. There wouldn't
be control if we were unconscious.

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

If it were not so,then the dream would not resonate throughout your being so as to be important enough to be considered a *vision*,ie sub conscious has to be activated.

Know thyself,let the sub conscious educate the conscious.

 

[Ben Masada]

If it were not so,then the dream would not resonate throughout your being so as to be important enough to be considered a *vision*,ie sub conscious has to be activated.

Know thyself,let the sub conscious educate the conscious.

How can the subconscious educate the conscious when the subconscious is animated
only in the state of unconsciousness? I mean, during dreams and in moments of deja-vu?

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

After about 28 years all I wanted to to was to unify,unite & combine,in love,so as to become a more spiritual being.Both are attached & do this naturally.

The sub conscious see's things as they are,as they are happening.....this has to be interpreted by consciousness somehow,at first it is playing a game where it does not know the rules,yet the same rules apply as they do in life so it can firmly yet humbly proceed.

When the bible says*the hand of god* or any part of his anatomy,it is only the interpretation of some prophet's sub-conscious(what they can uptake or notice in the universe) by the same individual's conscious(what they can uptake from the SC,make sense of then impart or deliniate).God(or the universe) is not human,though the C picks up from the sub conscious a pleasing form one your brain programming can understand.Your C cannot handle it if it see's itself as a flying shadow cow,it is human!lol,so the info is changes according to programming.

As such you must increase your understanding,so as the conscious can pick up more.

I can only speak from my own experience,some of it may sound personal or wacky,tis all I know & trust though.

Except for information which comes from individuals from whom the truth or the facts flow freely,all of which is also good to scrutinise from all angles possible in order to elucidate,perhaps,greater truths.

Sorry if I am speaking in riddles Ben,I am trying my hardest.Tis tricky & can lead to great complexity so I am sticking to a basic framework.

These are things which should be discussed among men & I am grateful for the opportunity to define myself,others will do better I am sure & you shall surpass me easily.



Andy

This gives

 

[Charity]

How can the subconscious educate the conscious when the subconscious is animated
only in the state of unconsciousness? I mean, during dreams and in moments of deja-vu?

Ben

Is it possible that dreams can become reality? Or is a dream deja-vu, something that has already happened and history repeats itself.....Or is it something that never happened but we dream it and subconsciously in some way we make it feel that we are really reliving the experience?

 

[Ben Masada]

Is it possible that dreams can become reality? Or is a dream deja-vu, something that has already happened and history repeats itself.....Or is it something that never happened but we dream it and subconsciously in some way we make it feel that we are really reliving the experience?

Very good Charity, I think you have got a point in there somewhere. But dreams are wish fulfilling. Things you have experienced in the past or even in the last days but
that have proved impossible or just escaped your achieving them, they turn out in dreams as fulfilment of what you desired and did not achieve.

No, dreams are not deja vu; but they might furnish material for deja vu. You may find yourself being reminded of scenes that could be part of dreams. That's when a
dream is remembered which seemed to have got lost into the subconscious.

Now, here's the point I was sure you had got somewhere: Yes, deja vu could definitely be something that never happened, but somehow is found filed away into
the subconscious, although we do not remember where it comes from. Perhaps even a slight thought or something brought to mind from the everyday things of life.

Ben :drool:

 

[Darkwater]

Ma Kali was looking after my soul the last couple of days,I am just back.

Try & drag something back with you from your dreams & watch for it materialising.Work upon your intent & keep this strong....I have a mental excersise which takes 5 minutes per day,just I am not authorised to release this.

I would guess that you are suitably *strong willed*.

Try to drag something back,it helps you to identify yourself & your heartmost desires.

Will & intent.