A Personal View About Visions

[IF_u_knew]

EEKS! No, I am not saying that *I* think He would use me that way. *bites fingernails* I was just wondering how one would discern if it was of G-d or not???

 

[IF_u_knew]

To begin with, one has to be gifted with the mind of a Prophet. I mean, a very spiritual oriented person with an inherent sense of responsibility for the well being
of the People or the nation. Then, to be able to control his or her lucid dreams into the pre-disposition to be taken by a vision. That's the kind of vessel that will get
the Divine emantions. I think you are that spiritual, but then again, how much do I know you? We can never be sure of anything. Then, there is the case of the
message, which if it's not according to Isaiah 8:20, it could be terribly misleading.

Ben: <*)))><

NVM my above post. I do understand what you mean. Spent the better part of my day reading and re reading Isaiah (all of it; not just that particular verse, though I know why you draw out that specific one). I don't want to say that G-d would NOT use me in such a manner, but as far as Him using me goes, my only prayer is this... Just to be used to bring Him honor and glory. However He sees fit to do so is best left up to Him. I just wanted to come back and clarify that because of what I wrote in the previous post. It was weighing heavy on my heart all morning. I don't ever want to say that He *can't* or *wouldn't* use me in this or other manners. I trust Him, but still struggle with trusting myself (not because I shouldn't, but because I was constantly told I shouldn't and so, I have some bad mind programming to overcome.. which seems to be moving along more quickly with each passing day).

Anyway, I was just asking the questions in general really. I appreciate the time you take to reply and for giving me things to ponder. It is nice to have some direction for studying.

 

[Ben Masada]

NVM my above post. I do understand what you mean. Spent the better part of my day reading and re reading Isaiah (all of it; not just that particular verse, though I know why you draw out that specific one). I don't want to say that G-d would NOT use me in such a manner, but as far as Him using me goes, my only prayer is this... Just to be used to bring Him honor and glory. However He sees fit to do so is best left up to Him. I just wanted to come back and clarify that because of what I wrote in the previous post. It was weighing heavy on my heart all morning. I don't ever want to say that He *can't* or *wouldn't* use me in this or other manners. I trust Him, but still struggle with trusting myself (not because I shouldn't, but because I was constantly told I shouldn't and so, I have some bad mind programming to overcome.. which seems to be moving along more quickly with each passing day).

Anyway, I was just asking the questions in general really. I appreciate the time you take to reply and for giving me things to ponder. It is nice to have some direction for studying.

IF_u_knew, as I can see, correct me if I am wrong, you are terribly worried about your relationship with God in terms of being in there for His glory and the honour
of His name, and the assurance of His love. Everything is okay; I have nothing against it. But I wonder if you know what's the best way to achieve that. Did you know
that the best direction to God is horizontal? I mean, opposite to vertical? Do you remember the Golden Rule? "Don't do unto others what you would not like they did unto
you." That's how we can best relate to God: Horizontally. Vertically is less than golden; perhaps silverlike. The best way to make sure of God's love is by exercising your love with
your fellowman. If we prefer to straightforwardly relate to God, it becomes mysticism, and we lose sense of Reality.

Ben: <*)))>< :yes:

 

[IF_u_knew]

IF_u_knew, as I can see, correct me if I am wrong, you are terribly worried about your relationship with God in terms of being in there for His glory and the honour
of His name, and the assurance of His love. Everything is okay; I have nothing against it. But I wonder if you know what's the best way to achieve that. Did you know
that the best direction to God is horizontal? I mean, opposite to vertical? Do you remember the Golden Rule? "Don't do unto others what you would not like they did unto
you." That's how we can best relate to God: Horizontally. Vertically is less than golden; perhaps silverlike. The best way to make sure of God's love is by exercising your love with
your fellowman. If we prefer to straightforwardly relate to God, it becomes mysticism, and we lose sense of Reality.

Ben: <*)))>< :yes:

Haha.. Yeah, somewhat. Again, a lot of that is not so much due to how I "view" G-d, but has more to do with something else altogether. That is why I say, I certainly have my own mind sets to overcome. I concur with what you have said.... looking horizontally; and as a single mother with loads of responsibilities to lots of people, I have MANY opportunities for just that (and in fact, little choice ). I mainly was referring in being used other ways. I don't really like to think about *that* because it is when panic sets in and I fear that I will mess things up; so, that is the reason for stating that I just trust all of that to Him if it is in His will to do so. In other words, yes, I can't argue that the golden rule approach suits me well and is the route I should continue to follow.

Edited to add: Had a close friend send me Psalm 138. I stand on that last verse and know that it is true.

 

[Darkwater]

EEKS! No, I am not saying that *I* think He would use me that way. *bites fingernails* I was just wondering how one would discern if it was of G-d or not???

the Divine,in that it surpasses the mundane norm,is very approachable to those whom it does reveal itself.Approach it on the level.

Any being of duration(some may say g_d) worth it's salt doe's NOT wish to be worshipped or feigned over.Ask it what it wants,what you can do,what it can do for you.

Expect to be paid.

Bow to nothing,what are you so afraid of?

The *way of the hearth fire* is a very powerful route in itself.

 

[IF_u_knew]

the Divine,in that it surpasses the mundane norm,is very approachable to those whom it does reveal itself.Approach it on the level.

Any being of duration(some may say g_d) worth it's salt doe's NOT wish to be worshipped or feigned over.Ask it what it wants,what you can do,what it can do for you.

Expect to be paid.

Bow to nothing,what are you so afraid of?

The *way of the hearth fire* is a very powerful route in itself.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you subscribe to the teachings of Kabbalah?

I have questions about it, but I would rather save those questions for someone who does not subscribe to mysticism. It came across my path once awhile back and immediately, in my heart, I sensed a big :no: as to whether I should look there for truth.

What am I afraid of? Not really much. Grieving the heart of G-d or misguiding someone.... those are my only two fears. I have no doubt that I am "spiritual" enough to make a name for myself and receive what *self* would desire. I am just blessed enough that my heart has never really been in that place for selfish pursuits. I have no problem humbling myself and putting my pride and identity in G-d.

My desire is in Him and in others; not in elevating myself. Have been this way since I was child and considering that I know I have qualities that are unique and that there is indeed something in me that has great potential, I just feel relieved that I am not after my own glory.

In fact, it is reason that I know I have great potential that I want to make it clear that I am not seeking myself and vain things here and why it is of the utmost importance that I am solidly grounded in G-d's truth.

"Expect to be paid?"

 

[Darkwater]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you subscribe to the teachings of Kabbalah?

I have questions about it, but I would rather save those questions for someone who does not subscribe to mysticism. It came across my path once awhile back and immediately, in my heart, I sensed a big :no: as to whether I should look there for truth.

What am I afraid of? Not really much. Grieving the heart of G-d or misguiding someone.... those are my only two fears. I have no doubt that I am "spiritual" enough to make a name for myself and receive what *self* would desire. I am just blessed enough that my heart has never really been in that place for selfish pursuits. I have no problem humbling myself and putting my pride and identity in G-d.

My desire is in Him and in others; not in elevating myself. Have been this way since I was child and considering that I know I have qualities that are unique and that there is indeed something in me that has great potential, I just feel relieved that I am not after my own glory.

In fact, it is reason that I know I have great potential that I want to make it clear that I am not seeking myself and vain things here and why it is of the utmost importance that I am solidly grounded in G-d's truth.

"Expect to be paid?"

ok,I understand your caution...

I was liasing with beings of greater duration before I hade ever heard of the Kaballah.I was amazed when I saw the 4 fires & 9 sphere's as being attributed to the Kaballah as I was into the Egyptian Pantheon at the time,as a result of tracing the line of Scots.

Well believe it or not we are in much the same mold,for us...

It shall be in heaven,as it is on earth.

Hence you attract attention of beings of greater duration no matter how you label them from whatever pantheon.

Just treat *them* as you treat people you would normally meet.Approach in love,unless they have *keep off or stay away* signs.

I am being more & more drawn in by the Jewish Pantheon,as it happens.

In great love.

Eh,expect gifts or see what you can grab........You are self realised by your own methods aka the way of the hearth fire,with the best of intent & all the good will in the world.

Do not underestimate yourself,your motivation,keep your will & intent strong.

Being greater in your own self image is why you are here.

*waits as you disappear as you don't take compliments too well*

ever heard of just,regular & perfect,within the 4 cubits you(and we all)inhabit?

heh heh,I love bringing blushes to maiden's cheeks & I am the tingle who just ran up your spine as you read this(expect lots of them)

Great love

DW
:candle:

 

[IF_u_knew]

*shudders* would be the better term. I have no problem accepting compliments that are based on my character and such. I run from (NOT shy away from) flatteries.

I have a physical aversion to mysticism (in the manner that you are referring). I suppose now that during the time I was searching for G-d and the truth, He was guiding me away from something that was and is extremely dangerous; it is so deeply embedded into most beliefs and is hard to spot (the dangers) for those, like I was, who are not grounded in the knowledge of G-d. Were it not for this involuntary physical deterrent, no doubt I would have fallen into something that would have destroyed any good that can be done with my life. I see the mysticism has worked its way into almost every belief system; including Judaism and Christianity. When I have seen it displayed before my eyes, I get sick to my stomach and have an overwhelming feeling of sadness. It is not the truth and it is to be avoided.

Kabbalah is NOT deeper interpretations of the Bible. It IS 100% a perversion of the Bible. It has taken truths and perverted them and manipulated them into subtle deceptions. For awhile, considering that everywhere I looked, the Jews that were coming across my path followed in the ways of Kabbalah, I was afraid there was either no hope for me if this were the truth or there was no hope left in the world. It has been more recently that I have come across Jews that strongly oppose these mystical teachings and are teaching people to be grounded in truth so as not to fall for this appealing but dangerous web of lies.

So, that is what I see. You are searching for your "truths" and you know, that is what you will find. :sad:

Edited to add: there were certain elements of mysticism that I did not get physically ill when looking at, but those deceptions were easily overcome. It was the mysticism that is intermingled and tightly woven into religion that made and does make me physically ill when I see it (and it may or may not be an aversion that comes from G-d per se.. that I can not say for sure; but I have no other explanation for why those practices and beliefs turn my stomach the way they do).

 

[Ben Masada]

Haha.. Yeah, somewhat. Again, a lot of that is not so much due to how I "view" G-d, but has more to do with something else altogether. That is why I say, I certainly have my own mind sets to overcome. I concur with what you have said.... looking horizontally; and as a single mother with loads of responsibilities to lots of people, I have MANY opportunities for just that (and in fact, little choice ). I mainly was referring in being used other ways. I don't really like to think about *that* because it is when panic sets in and I fear that I will mess things up; so, that is the reason for stating that I just trust all of that to Him if it is in His will to do so. In other words, yes, I can't argue that the golden rule approach suits me well and is the route I should continue to follow.

Edited to add: Had a close friend send me Psalm 138. I stand on that last verse and know that it is true.

Yes Katie, the Lord will indeed complete what He has done for you.

Ben: <*)))><:thud:

 

[Darkwater]

*shudders* would be the better term. I have no problem accepting compliments that are based on my character and such. I run from (NOT shy away from) flatteries.

I have a physical aversion to mysticism (in the manner that you are referring). I suppose now that during the time I was searching for G-d and the truth, He was guiding me away from something that was and is extremely dangerous; it is so deeply embedded into most beliefs and is hard to spot (the dangers) for those, like I was, who are not grounded in the knowledge of G-d. Were it not for this involuntary physical deterrent, no doubt I would have fallen into something that would have destroyed any good that can be done with my life. I see the mysticism has worked its way into almost every belief system; including Judaism and Christianity. When I have seen it displayed before my eyes, I get sick to my stomach and have an overwhelming feeling of sadness. It is not the truth and it is to be avoided.

Kabbalah is NOT deeper interpretations of the Bible. It IS 100% a perversion of the Bible. It has taken truths and perverted them and manipulated them into subtle deceptions. For awhile, considering that everywhere I looked, the Jews that were coming across my path followed in the ways of Kabbalah, I was afraid there was either no hope for me if this were the truth or there was no hope left in the world. It has been more recently that I have come across Jews that strongly oppose these mystical teachings and are teaching people to be grounded in truth so as not to fall for this appealing but dangerous web of lies.

So, that is what I see. You are searching for your "truths" and you know, that is what you will find. :sad:

Edited to add: there were certain elements of mysticism that I did not get physically ill when looking at, but those deceptions were easily overcome. It was the mysticism that is intermingled and tightly woven into religion that made and does make me physically ill when I see it (and it may or may not be an aversion that comes from G-d per se.. that I can not say for sure; but I have no other explanation for why those practices and beliefs turn my stomach the way they do).

Good luck pushing the cart before the donkey!!

Caution is good,make sure it is all you...always.The scriptures are another person's 4 cubit's of existance,absorb all that is useful to you.If you have greater vision than them(ancient scripture prophets),please share with others.

Eh,I am actively restoring the greater female as part of my great work,so I am interested.

Namaste

Andy

oh,I take authentic over anything,no matter how whacky it may appear.Celibacy helps too so I have found.

 

[IF_u_knew]

Yes Katie, the Lord will indeed complete what He has done for you.

Ben: <*)))><:thud:

Yes, I know. :yes:

 

[IF_u_knew]

Good luck pushing the cart before the donkey!!

Caution is good,make sure it is all you...always.The scriptures are another person's 4 cubit's of existance,absorb all that is useful to you.If you have greater vision than them(ancient scripture prophets),please share with others.

Eh,I am actively restoring the greater female as part of my great work,so I am interested.

Namaste

Andy

oh,I take authentic over anything,no matter how whacky it may appear.Celibacy helps too so I have found.

I will tell you the truth. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

About the only thing I can reply to is IF I am ever given a great vision then I will give it when I KNOW to give it and it will be received by those who are meant to receive it. For now, I am just on the path of learning; it is what He sets before me. :thud:

 

[Darkwater]

What are your favourite scriptures or people in the bible,who do you associate most with?

Whose *truth* or *vision* do you get the most identification with,& why?

Do your lucid dreams correspond with anything biblical,or whatever scriptures float your boat?

 

[IF_u_knew]

What are your favourite scriptures or people in the bible,who do you associate most with?

Whose *truth* or *vision* do you get the most identification with,& why?

Do your lucid dreams correspond with anything biblical,or whatever scriptures float your boat?

Honestly, I was not even going to respond to this. Again, *IF* I am ever given a vision or anything else by G-d that needs to be shared, I will know it and it will be shared when and with whomever He lays on my heart. I do not trust the leading of men.

But since my answer may be somewhat a frustrating one, I figured I would oblige.

My favorite scriptures: Anything in the Old Testament.. He pulls out the most seemingly mundane passages and yet they are filled with wisdom and deeper knowledge that correspond perfectly with "words/thoughts/actions" that I am experiencing at *that* moment.

People: Again, they all speak on different levels to me. To pull one out as an all time favorite is impossible to do. They all serve(d) their purpose in their time, just as I am doing.

What *truth* or *vision* do I most identify with? The bigger picture all the way down to the most minute detail.

As far as lucid dreams, I'll be honest... again. I am not looking to have these things defined or encouraged through mystical point of view; especially where Kabbalah is concerned. When/IF there is ever something that I feel concerns a wider range of people, I will go to the appropriate person for guidance. Thus far, I am no different than anyone else. Just learning, but it's very much a guided learning.

 

[Darkwater]

Oooh,I do greatly admire your caution.Always caution!

Thank you for explaining where you are at to me,I am glad that you get deep joy from reading the bible OT & can correspond(or resonate) with the many greater truths which are contained therein.

I do not know if you are familiar with the phrase *meta information*,this is what the bible contains(especially OT)....once you can deliniate or label the great & deep love that you feel,you will be in a better position to *label* your allignment with the scriptures.

Then you will have more self understanding.......eh,Meta Information is ...say...stronger than regular information...more multi-dimensional being my favourite label.

I could help you with meta information*label* & maybe even to better understand the universal force that is great love(just labelling or identifying-you are perfectly aware of this force & use it very well naturally)...Great self love being essential for greater understanding of *self*...& the four dimensions(your cubits) upon which you exist(so beautifully).

Great Love & Harmony,

Shalom,
DW.

 

[IF_u_knew]

Oooh,I do greatly admire your caution.Always caution!

Thank you for explaining where you are at to me,I am glad that you get deep joy from reading the bible OT & can correspond(or resonate) with the many greater truths which are contained therein.

I do not know if you are familiar with the phrase *meta information*,this is what the bible contains(especially OT)....once you can deliniate or label the great & deep love that you feel,you will be in a better position to *label* your allignment with the scriptures.

Then you will have more self understanding.......eh,Meta Information is ...say...stronger than regular information...more multi-dimensional being my favourite label.

I could help you with meta information*label* & maybe even to better understand the universal force that is great love(just labelling or identifying-you are perfectly aware of this force & use it very well naturally)...Great self love being essential for greater understanding of *self*...& the four dimensions(your cubits) upon which you exist(so beautifully).

Great Love & Harmony,

Shalom,
DW.

Hello Darkwater.

Sorry it has taken me awhile to answer. Busy start to the new year. You are quite welcome for the explanation, though I am not sure that I have been clear as to where I stand for the time being.

Everything that you are speaking of believe it or not, I do understand it, but through the eyes of the world; not so much through the correct eyes.

I hope you don't mind me probing, but did you jump straight to the mysticism or did you start out with the basics of Judaism? See, I am still on the basics and just like I did not start my children out on solid food the moment they came out of the womb, I do not want to forgo the "milk" of Judaism. I am not saying that mysticism is the meat of Judaism, but if I don't fully understand the basics yet, I am not sure why I would skip on to something that is obviously far more advanced. Whether right or wrong down the path I will know in time; but I can be assured that it IS wrong if I get ahead of myself.

I have chosen to submit myself to those who are in authority concerning Judaism because again, I would be certain to miss out on the wisdom that comes from "growing" into the knowledge of Judaism if I were to "skip" ahead. I enjoy the learning process and I take each step seriously so that I know I am getting what I need rather than just what I think I want. :yes:

 

[Darkwater]

Know thyself!

You will be running the show before long, not so much the eye's as the light which passes through them.Just remember you are observing the upside down pallidrome through another's eyes,anything not from within.

ty for explaining so well & clearly,long may you continue.

Namaste,

Andy

 

[IF_u_knew]

Just remember you are observing the upside down pallidrome through another's eyes,anything not from within.

No matter whose eyes I am seeking to observe through, it is always observed from within :yes: It is within that paradox that I "hear" His voice the clearest.

 

[Darkwater]

No matter whose eyes I am seeking to observe through, it is always observed from within :yes: It is within that paradox that I "hear" His voice the clearest.

eh,what I am trying to say is forget about my baby blue eyes,even your own eyes.Rely upon *what your heart can perceive before your head can conceive*,see better through eyes tight shut..

You are energy,you are light....godseed,made of the same elements as the stars,perfect.

All is energy,know thyself.

Good Luck & happy travels.:menorah:

 

[IF_u_knew]

I was aware of what you meant when I posted (speaking of "vision").
Hope you have a lovely (rest of the) week.