A Personal View About Visions

[Ben Masada]

Try to drag something back,it helps you to identify yourself & your heartmost desires.

Will & intent.

You might be right because in dreams we are what we are, and have our desires
fulfilled which in the conscious state would be impossible.:clap

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

ok,just last night the perfect weapon appeared to me in the mudplane,after a mudsoul had made me very angry.Some people may say co-incidence,I say that greater forces were at work.And I know which ones.

I have dragged healing skills through from the astral,such was my desire to be a healer.I knew of the energy & healing power from astral before I studied this in the mudplane.

I have gold their which I use among the pantheon,I have dragged some through which remains concealed on the mudplane,for use at a later date if appropriate.If I desired wealth I would never have got so far in the astral as I have.

You would not believe the lengths I have went to in order to drag anything back,takes a lot of thought & effort.

I can explain all,just it would sound too wacky.

Do you live the dream or is the dream living you...Deja Vue is commonplace as their is nothing new under the sun.In this creation you have lived,died & been reborn again many,many,many times.

Not your carbon based life form which is just tenant of your soul,all the many parts of your soul you can identify (in love),accept(in love) & combine with(in love),so as to become greater within your own image.

Namaste

Andy

 

[Ben Masada]

In this creation you have lived,died & been reborn again many,many,many times.

Andy

What do you mean by the above? Is this reincarnation?

Ben

 

[Darkwater]

From a different point of perspective,it could reasonably be interpreted as this.

It is inkeeping with *energy* rules,it never dies just changes form.Their is a *template* throughout everything,a desired state of being according to dna instruction which can be subject to some limitations according to circumstances.

*Discovering's of the other are* depending upon where you are upon the *pendulum*.

I believe that I rotate,in a fashion,having overcome gravity & rendered the *pendulum* redundant....Although I faced my stiffest tests EVER at the weekend,especially Friday night.

ty for the very specific question,which helps keep me focus.I am entirely based upon personal experience,only limited to my abilitity to uptake & impart info which can be poorly defined or flawed sometimes.

Nevertheless I would hate to diminish the power of the *word* within me.

Great Love,

DW

Eh,I could be more specific in answering your question should you(or anyone) wish.Maybe too personal to me for you to get anything from it,but you never know.I believe that these things should be discussed,even though they may appear to be*way out there*

 

[Ben Masada]

Eh,I could be more specific in answering your question should you(or anyone) wish.Maybe too personal to me for you to get anything from it,but you never know.I believe that these things should be discussed,even though they may appear to be*way out there*

I understand you and agree with you. But don't hold yourself back if you believe you
have something to contribute into our understanding.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Darkwater]

Not so much *reincarnation* as remanifestation eternal?reincarnation is only a tiny 1 dimensional slice of the big picture,given the properties to ramify exponentially on many dimensions simultaneously as you do grow & expand.

Well my own unification/combining or as recently explained *marriage* between my conscious(my soul) & my sub conscious(over soul)....could also be described as *dragon* & other labels,some better,some worse...... is perhaps best illustrated in my route through the pantheon's.

Very Briefly,in Void I met with my *oversoul*,which is a collection of template *me's* throughout history which all faced the same challenges as myself throughout time armed with the same *instinct* or survival skills,acted as best as possible according to dna programming,did the best they could depending upon the hand they were dealt & the game they had to play.In short,the same sh*t,just a different day.These guys would also be known as my guardian angels who *look after me* on a rotation basis,not the same one all my life.
They heard my story,accepted me in love & we embraced,in love.

My *Watermark soul* was there too.

Then the 800 +(seperate parts & me) went to the Nordic Pantheon,travelling the great tree with a gift for Freya.I addressed my own oversoul as well as the Nordic Pantheonon some points & exhibited my *skills* .that was a big party & my numbers swelled,ramifying exponentially.

I had a kind of masonic degree at temple of Anubis,up in among the stars,more attached or were drawn to me,in love.

I met the Shehkinah whom I healed in Great love,my oversoul met with her angel pantheon.My oversoul were at peace despite some of the Shekinah guys wanting to fight them due to mistaken identity(thought we were roman when really Greek)

At Shekinah temple I made friends with Kybele(Hittite/Roman corruption of Sehkmet) & a big blue Hindu guy,Shiva.

Went around some other Temples,had Tsang tsu dreams where I dreamed of many animals/insects/minerals even(I would *wake* as these things,not panic as I realised I wasn't human,did my own thing in whatever form I landed in.

Did some favours for various deity,received & gave freely of gifts.

Finally my oversoul numbered 3 billion,incredibly they all sat still & at peace as little Buddha's in the Temple of the Trayastan.This enabled me to have an audience with MA Durgha(glorious MA) & then Mata Kali(Jai MA).....Then I was back into the Void,this time as *top or apex predator* for many bloodless victories....this vastly boosted my Karma.

Now I sit with Lord Seth in his Chambers,I am helping to restore the brightly burning Sphinx as well as drawing energy from this.

I am also building the universe(another dimension-different story) & very much enjoying the company of the Fae whose guidance is wonderful.

As I unify,combine & unite,I become greater in my own image due to better perspective & greater understanding.

Eh,missed out lot's of great *meetings of minds*,the Sumarian Pantheon,the Black Elf,the syster's wyrde in many shapes,forms & permutations.

& some initial things I had to do in order to gain insights/self realise/xeper,to focus initially on the 4 cornerstones of philosophy to elucidate an initial perspective point

It has all been good fun & in great love.

Watermark is present in all things authentic,I like to hold all pantheon/old knowledge up to the light in order to see the beautiful design.

Nothing or no-one is sacred.

Without fear or prejudice.

DW.

ty again Ben Masada,I maybe have a starting point (again).

great love

DW

 

[Ben Masada]

Not so much *reincarnation* as remanifestation eternal?reincarnation is only a tiny 1 dimensional slice of the big picture,given the properties to ramify exponentially on many dimensions simultaneously as you do grow & expand.

Well my own unification/combining or as recently explained *marriage* between my conscious(my soul) & my sub conscious(over soul)....could also be described as *dragon* & other labels,some better,some worse...... is perhaps best illustrated in my route through the pantheon's.

Very Briefly,in Void I met with my *oversoul*,which is a collection of template *me's* throughout history which all faced the same challenges as myself throughout time armed with the same *instinct* or survival skills,acted as best as possible according to dna programming,did the best they could depending upon the hand they were dealt & the game they had to play.In short,the same sh*t,just a different day.These guys would also be known as my guardian angels who *look after me* on a rotation basis,not the same one all my life.
They heard my story,accepted me in love & we embraced,in love.

My *Watermark soul* was there too.

Then the 800 +(seperate parts & me) went to the Nordic Pantheon,travelling the great tree with a gift for Freya.I addressed my own oversoul as well as the Nordic Pantheonon some points & exhibited my *skills* .that was a big party & my numbers swelled,ramifying exponentially.

I had a kind of masonic degree at temple of Anubis,up in among the stars,more attached or were drawn to me,in love.

I met the Shehkinah whom I healed in Great love,my oversoul met with her angel pantheon.My oversoul were at peace despite some of the Shekinah guys wanting to fight them due to mistaken identity(thought we were roman when really Greek)

At Shekinah temple I made friends with Kybele(Hittite/Roman corruption of Sehkmet) & a big blue Hindu guy,Shiva.

Went around some other Temples,had Tsang tsu dreams where I dreamed of many animals/insects/minerals even(I would *wake* as these things,not panic as I realised I wasn't human,did my own thing in whatever form I landed in.

Did some favours for various deity,received & gave freely of gifts.

Finally my oversoul numbered 3 billion,incredibly they all sat still & at peace as little Buddha's in the Temple of the Trayastan.This enabled me to have an audience with MA Durgha(glorious MA) & then Mata Kali(Jai MA).....Then I was back into the Void,this time as *top or apex predator* for many bloodless victories....this vastly boosted my Karma.

Now I sit with Lord Seth in his Chambers,I am helping to restore the brightly burning Sphinx as well as drawing energy from this.

I am also building the universe(another dimension-different story) & very much enjoying the company of the Fae whose guidance is wonderful.

As I unify,combine & unite,I become greater in my own image due to better perspective & greater understanding.

Eh,missed out lot's of great *meetings of minds*,the Sumarian Pantheon,the Black Elf,the syster's wyrde in many shapes,forms & permutations.

& some initial things I had to do in order to gain insights/self realise/xeper,to focus initially on the 4 cornerstones of philosophy to elucidate an initial perspective point

It has all been good fun & in great love.

Watermark is present in all things authentic,I like to hold all pantheon/old knowledge up to the light in order to see the beautiful design.

Nothing or no-one is sacred.

Without fear or prejudice.

DW.

ty again Ben Masada,I maybe have a starting point (again).

great love

DW

Darkwater, what is the Truth after you peel off all the paraphernalia that hide it?

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Darkwater]

The greater truth was revealed to me at*the feast of the gods*

I sat at a table with 12 others & conversed with each pantheon as they presented themselves....

Every Pantheon member,of every pantheon,of all time,corealate exactly.

They allign directly with planets(whom I resonated with),in turn with Stars,in turn with solar system's,in turn with Astral Houses,in turn with star cluster's & super cluster's.

Nordic,Celtic,Egyptian,Hindu,Angel,Archangel,Sumarian,Greek,Roman,Hittite,our solar system,the astral star houses through to advanced cosmology are all in perfect allignment.

I kept it to 12,could have went as complicated as I liked,say phillistine super pantheon or others.

All are resonations,*beings of greater duration*,the deity representing what we would term old light or knowledge,daemonn times simply being *dams in time*.

Once you get this perspective,all the big things fall into place,you can see past the veil or illusion,discover the purpose of your birth & can end the passage of lies.

So then start your own world/universe & better educate those who shall follow you by perfecting & alligning yourself.

Once you nail the spinney wheel on a suitable Axis point,great things do happen.In Love.

Re-incarnation is just a by product,everything is in the *current* or happening now once you get past the linear stuff & into the Ubersoul.

It

 

[Ben Masada]

The greater truth was revealed to me at*the feast of the gods*

It

Now, share with us your definition of the Truth.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Darkwater]

Well first of all you have a small truth,which you carry around with you(with many others),until you come to a greater truth,so you see which of the smaller truths can allign with the greater truth,keeping & discarding....always re-tracing your steps...to be sure...

Then you can elucidate greater truths,see which allign,resonate & flow with smaller & greater truths,see which dovetails beautifully with the truth & that which is crude ego false lies...one you resonate upon these the Bul* hardens & explodes off of *the truth*,so you are left with fact.

Bearing in mind the big picture,turn it another way & the ego/false stuff slides off of the big picture,to reveal the beautiful picture of *the truth*.

Eh,the greater truth being that we are godseed,borne of the stars,made up of the exact same components,just resonating differently according to circumstances/enviroment.

Any good?

 

[Ben Masada]

Well first of all you have a small truth,which you carry around with you(with many others),until you come to a greater truth,so you see which of the smaller truths can allign with the greater truth,keeping & discarding....always re-tracing your steps...to be sure...

Then you can elucidate greater truths,see which allign,resonate & flow with smaller & greater truths,see which dovetails beautifully with the truth & that which is crude ego false lies...one you resonate upon these the Bul* hardens & explodes off of *the truth*,so you are left with fact.

Bearing in mind the big picture,turn it another way & the ego/false stuff slides off of the big picture,to reveal the beautiful picture of *the truth*.

Eh,the greater truth being that we are godseed,borne of the stars,made up of the exact same components,just resonating differently according to circumstances/enviroment.

Any good?

Well, I didn't mean to hear the intangible, but the Truth that can be known by means
of the senses or fully understood. The Truth that Pilate asked Jesus what was it, but
left the room before he heard what he could not agree with, albeit understand... perhaps.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Darkwater]

Jesus or Yeshua got sick repeating it so told Pilate to blow it...

My truth,great work,or picture becomes a *portal*

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I shall forever fell Apep & kick the 7 headed dragon of Rome(oppression) in the sac's.

You know of Michael of Nebadon?

 

[Ben Masada]

Jesus or Yeshua got sick repeating it so told Pilate to blow it...

My truth,great work,or picture becomes a *portal*

And then when Pilate returned to the room, Jesus was the one who ended up by being blown.

I think I asked you for a definition of the Truth, and not of your private truth.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Darkwater]

According to the story,Pilate washed his hands(Lady MacBeth Style)


Truth is the power of the written or deliniated word,love..All is love.


Only limited by morphilogical Tenet principals in some cases.........such as the dude from Nebadon who needs to be radically updated.

 

[IF_u_knew]

OP: Pertaining to the latter part of our discussion in your other thread, based on what you wrote here, my conclusion (though not definitive, mind you) would be that the parts of my dream that would be considered lucid are the parts that I was aware and able to make "conscious" decisions (in other words, steer the direction of the dream). I am not convinced though that I have understood correctly.

 

[Ben Masada]

OP: Pertaining to the latter part of our discussion in your other thread, based on what you wrote here, my conclusion (though not definitive, mind you) would be that the parts of my dream that would be considered lucid are the parts that I was aware and able to make "conscious" decisions (in other words, steer the direction of the dream). I am not convinced though that I have understood correctly.

Do you see the correlation between lucid dreams and visions? It happens mostly during a slumber. Our Hebrew Prophets were experts at that.
When a slumber would take the best of them, or be a little stronger than their preoccupations, they would get into a kind of transe and control
their lucid dreams into the pursuit of a solution to the status quo.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[IF_u_knew]

Do you see the correlation between lucid dreams and visions? It happens mostly during a slumber. Our Hebrew Prophets were experts at that.
When a slumber would take the best of them, or be a little stronger than their preoccupations, they would get into a kind of transe and control
their lucid dreams into the pursuit of a solution to the status quo.

Ben: <*)))><

In light of this, I can see how important it is to keep my mind saturated in His word and grounded in His truth during the hours that I am awake. Not that I could NOT do that considering, but it makes it that much more important to me. I have these type of dreams quite often.. the latest though is the first time that I had awareness during the dream and the first time that I had resolution upon waking.

I do see the correlation and am wondering, were they visions of note in their case because they had G-d's Spirit in them and thus, it translated into G-d's word? And is that how they received their prophecies (or is this latter altogether different)? When I get more time, if this has been answered, I will come back and read through this whole thread so you do not have to repeat yourself if you already have touched on this. Have only had time to read your first post through a few times, think about it, and then answer.

 

[Ben Masada]

In light of this, I can see how important it is to keep my mind saturated in His word and grounded in His truth during the hours that I am awake. Not that I could NOT do that considering, but it makes it that much more important to me. I have these type of dreams quite often.. the latest though is the first time that I had awareness during the dream and the first time that I had resolution upon waking.

I do see the correlation and am wondering, were they visions of note in their case because they had G-d's Spirit in them and thus, it translated into G-d's word? And is that how they received their prophecies (or is this latter altogether different)? When I get more time, if this has been answered, I will come back and read through this whole thread so you do not have to repeat yourself if you already have touched on this. Have only had time to read your first post through a few times, think about it, and then answer.

Yes, that's how the Prophets received their prophecies. And I believe it could happen
today if we get really involved in terms of using our imagination in the solution of a
spiritual issue.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[IF_u_knew]

I see your point. My only problem with this is how would one know if their imagination got the better of them or not? I have a VERY vivid imagination and I know it can often get the better of me. *shrugs*

 

[Ben Masada]

I see your point. My only problem with this is how would one know if their imagination got the better of them or not? I have a VERY vivid imagination and I know it can often get the better of me. *shrugs*

To begin with, one has to be gifted with the mind of a Prophet. I mean, a very spiritual oriented person with an inherent sense of responsibility for the well being
of the People or the nation. Then, to be able to control his or her lucid dreams into the pre-disposition to be taken by a vision. That's the kind of vessel that will get
the Divine emantions. I think you are that spiritual, but then again, how much do I know you? We can never be sure of anything. Then, there is the case of the
message, which if it's not according to Isaiah 8:20, it could be terribly misleading.

Ben: <*)))><