A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[Tiberius]

This is a false statement because the Bible doesn’t say Mary went alone and you can see that later in the account when the text says that (we don’t know where they laid Him.)

“Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭20:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So what these accounts show is that they compliment each other, none of the accounts give every single detail or timeline and they also show they weren’t based on collusion.

That's a pretty big stretch there.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That's a pretty big stretch there.

How do you figure? Its right there and better to present the actual scripture instead of someone’s commentary and add the word (alone) when it doesn’t say that.

The accounts are different perspectives of the same event, that yes indeed Jesus did rise from the dead.

 

[Tiberius]

How do you figure? Its right there and better to present the actual scripture instead of someone’s commentary and add the word (alone) when it doesn’t say that.

The accounts are different perspectives of the same event, that yes indeed Jesus did rise from the dead.

It's also right there that it says, "Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early," and not "Mary Magdalene and a bunch of other people who we aren't bothering to mention because who cares went to the tomb early."

 

[rational experiences]

If someone said to me God spoke to him I would think logically.

Heavens.
Heavens records sounds voice image and men transmit by machine the same.

God a human theory.

O planet sealed.
Immaculate heavens
Immaculate spirit sacrificed burning light in void constant.

Science of God

As you are always just a human.

So if God was talking it would be because the heavens exist.

If you had to preach teach why voice outside of self was heard due to science occult causes then you did.

As it involves phenomena.

You said I hear father by God conditions speaking.

First human father is actually dead.

Billions of human father's as men deceased also since.

Speaking by large volume many men. Recordings.

Then you say in science as an argued status no....the speaking voice is heard before we exist.

Yep didn't the heavens exist first naturally?

Yes.

Was man speaking doing machine science just the heaven?

No.

Does the state to record in atmospheric state as a human notified science status exist before life did?

Yes of course. As we are not first in science heavens gas is.

A human science teaching actually.

The state voice recording not a gas was introduced by man's machine.

Man visionary science reaction was studied as an imaged vision. Not a voice. The human theist spoke first. Built design. Design communicated reason voice became included as a human attacked their own life.

Reason a fused state is sealed ends as it's seal does not communicate. Communication using mass forced burnt mass so communicating changed by machine.

Young earth no such state you would be lying to preach a non actual science status. A state meant means actuality as correct science.

Earth is only present in the forms it owns now.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The point is you and I have a different perspective, not sure why you’re commenting. Being delivered from drugs and alcohol was only a symptom of deeper longing and was something that worked for a while to deal with life. When people say things like you can’t prove God or He isn’t real, I have to disagree because of what He has done and continues to do in my life. Observable? Yes. Over
A long period of time? Yes. Have other people had similar experiences with God? Yes, millions. I’m sharing what I know, you can take it any way you wish. What I said and will continue to say is this is proof and evidence enough for me.

No.

The point is that when the exact same is claimed by someone else in context of a religion / god(s) that you do NOT believe in, then suddenly it isn't "enough proof and evidence".

I'm sorry that you can't recognize the blatant double standard.
Or maybe you can and you just don't care.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's not the same concept at all. Time dilation is one possibility.

How is that a "possibility"?

 

[ElishaElijah]

No.

The point is that when the exact same is claimed by someone else in context of a religion / god(s) that you do NOT believe in, then suddenly it isn't "enough proof and evidence".

I'm sorry that you can't recognize the blatant double standard.
Or maybe you can and you just don't care.

Like I said I don’t know the claim because you’re using hearsay from a secondary source and you said it, worshipping dolls. Some people quit on their own. I couldn’t quit using drugs on my own and my testimony, proof and evidence is that God delivered me, not only that but he gave me His Spirit and satisfied the longing of my soul. He showed me why I’m here, the purpose of my life, promises eternal life and this came to me because I received Jesus Christ. Like I said I’m sharing what I know and it’s my firsthand experience with God. He changed me.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's also right there that it says, "Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early," and not "Mary Magdalene and a bunch of other people who we aren't bothering to mention because who cares went to the tomb early."

Doesn’t mean there weren’t others there and later on Mary is the one speaking and says we don’t know as in more than just her.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Like I said I don’t know the claim because you’re using hearsay from a secondary source and you said it, worshipping dolls. Some people quit on their own.

And again we have a case of

I couldn’t quit using drugs on my own and my testimony, proof and evidence is that God delivered me, not only that but he gave me His Spirit and satisfied the longing of my soul. He showed me why I’m here, the purpose of my life, promises eternal life and this came to me because I received Jesus Christ. Like I said I’m sharing what I know and it’s my firsthand experience with God. He changed me.

You sound exactly like him. The only difference is that he's talking about another, mutually exclusive, god.

You're really not seeing the blatant double standard?

Why is your experience / claim evidence for the existence of the god YOU believe in, while his same type of experience / claim isn't evidence for the existence of the god HE believes in - which is another god then yours?

 

[ElishaElijah]

And again we have a case of

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You sound exactly like him. The only difference is that he's talking about another, mutually exclusive, god.

You're really not seeing the blatant double standard?

Why is your experience / claim evidence for the existence of the god YOU believe in, while his same type of experience / claim isn't evidence for the existence of the god HE believes in - which is another god then yours?

Everyone has a claim, in my own experience I’ve witnessed hundreds of lives changed by Jesus Christ. I really don’t know the others, in my view we all find out for sure at the end of this age.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And again we have a case of

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Everyone has a claim, in my own experience I’ve witnessed hundreds of lives changed by Jesus Christ.

And in his experience he witnessed the same, only it was Lord Krishna that changed the lives.

You are still running away from the actual point.

I really don’t know the others, in my view we all find out for sure at the end of this age.

Now you're also dodging while running.

Why can't you just admit that what you actually have is not "knowledge" or "evidence" or "proof".
What you have, instead, is exactly the same as what the brother of my friend has: beliefs. Beliefs, that are not in evidence.

I'm fine with that, btw.
I'm not fine with calling mere beliefs "knowledge" or "evidence" or "proof".

 

[ElishaElijah]

And in his experience he witnessed the same, only it was Lord Krishna that changed the lives.

You are still running away from the actual point.



Now you're also dodging while running.

Why can't you just admit that what you actually have is not "knowledge" or "evidence" or "proof".
What you have, instead, is exactly the same as what the brother of my friend has: beliefs. Beliefs, that are not in evidence.

I'm fine with that, btw.
I'm not fine with calling mere beliefs "knowledge" or "evidence" or "proof".

Not allowed to be dogmatic and not supposed to comment on other people and their beliefs on this forum. I’m not running away but know exactly why I believe and have confidence in Jesus Christ. It comes across as preaching and proselytizing. But don’t see anyone coming close to Jesus Christ, His life, miracles, rising from the dead, fulfilled prophesy, and my personal experience confirming all this for myself. You have your view.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not allowed to be dogmatic and not supposed to comment on other people and their beliefs on this forum.

That person isn't here and isn't posting here, so it's okay.
But more importantly: this once again is you running away from the point made.

You seem to be latching on to anything you can to avoid having to address the elephant in the room.

I’m not running away but know exactly why I believe and have confidence in Jesus Christ.

And he knows exactly why he believes and has confidence in Lord Krishna.

It comes across as preaching and proselytizing.

Yes, but that's not the point I'm addressing.
I'm only addressing your claim that this anecdote of yours is to be seen as "evidence" or "proof" of your beliefs.
While in fact they simpley ARE your beliefs. Not evidence thereof.

Just like in the case of my friends brother.
Almost the exact same scenario's. You both found strength and motivation in your respective religious beliefs to turn your lives around. That's great. But that's all it is.
It's not evidence that your beliefs are accurate.

Clearly it's not such evidence because as explained already: you can't both be right, but you CAN both be wrong.

But don’t see anyone coming close to Jesus Christ, His life, miracles, rising from the dead, fulfilled prophesy, and my personal experience confirming all this for myself. You have your view.

My view is that you have religious beliefs.
And the mere fact that you "really believe it", doesn't make it true. Nor is it evidence.
That's all I'm saying.

You claim it's evidence and proof. It isn't. It's belief, without evidence, from beginning to end. Which is fine. It's just wrong to claim it's something more then that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

While in fact they simpley ARE your beliefs. Not evidence thereof.

You mean being delivered by God, being changed and God opening my understanding of life, His Word, speaking to me are just beliefs? Maybe to you but 30 years of relationship with God, Him proving His Word are not just beliefs, they are facts because He has done it. You are entitled to doubt but I’m living it. In my view and what God says in the Bible is that there is One True God and the rest are frauds, there are many vices and idols. I entertained a lot of them in my life before I found the One True God Jesus Christ and that’s my story.

 

[Valjean]

Everyone has a claim, in my own experience I’ve witnessed hundreds of lives changed by Jesus Christ. I really don’t know the others, in my view we all find out for sure at the end of this age.

You've witnessed people change by believing in Jesus. People also change from believing in Allah, Sai Baba, psychotherapy, Q, and homeopathy. The change may be real, but the attribution is unfounded.

 

[Valjean]

Not allowed to be dogmatic and not supposed to comment on other people and their beliefs on this forum. I’m not running away but know exactly why I believe and have confidence in Jesus Christ. It comes across as preaching and proselytizing. But don’t see anyone coming close to Jesus Christ, His life, miracles, rising from the dead, fulfilled prophesy, and my personal experience confirming all this for myself. You have your view.

But this is all a mythology, isn't it? Many other religious mythologies exist and have existed in the past. They, too, had true believers who swore by them. They, too, were unevidenced.

An evidenced world view or explanation of observations -- like relativity or chemistry -- quickly become universally accepted. What religion can make that claim?

 

[Wildswanderer]

But this is all a mythology, isn't it? Many other religious mythologies exist and have existed in the past. They, too, had true believers who swore by them. They, too, were unevidenced.

An evidenced world view or explanation of observations -- like relativity or chemistry -- quickly become universally accepted. What religion can make that claim?

Lol, that's pretty funny considering that over 90% of the people in the world believe in God.
Can a myth really change your life? I like super hero movies, but I would not say they changed my life. Jesus certainly did. And even though I am a poor follower, he still does.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You've witnessed people change by believing in Jesus. People also change from believing in Allah, Sai Baba, psychotherapy, Q, and homeopathy. The change may be real, but the attribution is unfounded.

So…that’s your opinion and you coming from a lack of experience for yourself, which is fine, you’re entitled.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But this is all a mythology, isn't it? Many other religious mythologies exist and have existed in the past. They, too, had true believers who swore by them. They, too, were unevidenced.

You’re saying no evidence and there is lots of evidence, you just don’t believe the evidence, while I do because the evidence the believers wrote by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as the Bible says, lines up with my experience with God as well, the Spirit of God bears witness to me of the Truth. This is my confidence.