A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[John1.12]

I am a young-Earth creationist. What do you guys think about the idea that God created an aged universe, which is why we see evidence of a very old Earth. On the fourth day of creation, God created the stars. These stars are undeniably millions and billions of light-years away, but it is implied that they were readily visible from Earth on the fourth day. The animals that God placed on the Earth were already fully evolved, but does that mean that a creationist cannot believe in evolution? I think that God created an aged universe, but it's only been in existence for a little more than 6000 years.

I'm not sure i see anything in the Bible thats not simply said, that isn't true . The accounts in Genesis are plainly stated . It would say ' created old ' or something along these lines .

 

[John1.12]

I am a young-Earth creationist. What do you guys think about the idea that God created an aged universe, which is why we see evidence of a very old Earth. On the fourth day of creation, God created the stars. These stars are undeniably millions and billions of light-years away, but it is implied that they were readily visible from Earth on the fourth day. The animals that God placed on the Earth were already fully evolved, but does that mean that a creationist cannot believe in evolution? I think that God created an aged universe, but it's only been in existence for a little more than 6000 years.

Distant star light issues are not straight forward. is it the same speed on return?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Lots of people say that about lots of different things.

Yes they do and as for me, I have found the greatest treasure in life has been my relationship with Jesus Christ and the Bible isn’t just a book for me. God speaks to me through His Word, leads and guides me, has been a source of wisdom and understanding for me and has come alive, more than just words on a page for me.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Christians have been around for 2,000 years and never found any answers. Almost nothing was learned about geology, physics, chemistry, biology, &c till people stopped looking to the Bible for answers.

How is it that your acquaintance with Jesus gave you the answers when noöne else found them in the whole history of Christianity?

I don’t know about everyone else but doubt this is an accurate statement. I would refer to you Apologetics Press app and read all the articles concerning all those subjects.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Please explain how anyone in the 6th and 5th centuries BC could have known the lineage from Adam to Noah.

Obviously, the supernatural entity Gabriel came down from the clouds and told them. Duh!!!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Observable Fact: I was a drug addict and alcoholic, I cried out to God for His help, He answered and delivered me, saved me, filled me with His Spirit, opened my understanding to know Him and communicate with Him, changed me and gave me new desires and outlook.

First, that's an anecdote, not an "observable fact".

Second, that tells us something about your psychology, not about the accuracy of the story you believe

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Time is relative. From the perspective of God, who isn't inside time, the material used to form the world could be billions of years old while from the perspective of a person on the planet it could be actually only thosands.

And by the same token, the universe and everything it contains, including our memories of having lived our entire lives, could have been created 5 minutes ago.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

By me, my family and friends its an observable fact that 100% of those people who knew me before and after know that God did this.

No. They believe god did this. They don't know that.

This is 30 years of life with God, my parents, brothers and sisters, my wife, children have all witnessed what God has done and continues to do. You say that because you haven’t known or experienced God for yourself, I have and that’s what I know.

The brother of a friend of mine was a heroine addict.
He then came to know Lord Krishna. He know lives in a temple and worships dolls all day.
His religious experience also had him quit heroine.

You can't both be correct.
You can both be wrong though.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I do agree that God isn’t directly observable but the effects of what He does are observable as in my case.

In order to be able to claim this as knowledge, you have to actually demonstrate the causal chain.
Instead, you are just asserting it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

In order to be able to claim this as knowledge, you have to actually demonstrate the causal chain.
Instead, you are just asserting it.

No I don’t

 

[ElishaElijah]

No. They believe god did this. They don't know that.




The brother of a friend of mine was a heroine addict.
He then came to know Lord Krishna. He know lives in a temple and worships dolls all day.
His religious experience also had him quit heroine.

You can't both be correct.
You can both be wrong though.

Glad he’s off heroine, I found a better way than escaping life and worshipping dolls or anything that man created.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No I don’t

If you disagree, please point me to where you demonstrated the causal relationship instead of bare assertion.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Glad he’s off heroine, I found a better way than escaping life and worshipping dolls or anything that man created.

 

[ElishaElijah]

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The point is you and I have a different perspective, not sure why you’re commenting. Being delivered from drugs and alcohol was only a symptom of deeper longing and was something that worked for a while to deal with life. When people say things like you can’t prove God or He isn’t real, I have to disagree because of what He has done and continues to do in my life. Observable? Yes. Over
A long period of time? Yes. Have other people had similar experiences with God? Yes, millions. I’m sharing what I know, you can take it any way you wish. What I said and will continue to say is this is proof and evidence enough for me.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That's not the same concept at all. Time dilation is one possibility.

And by the same token, the universe and everything it contains, including our memories of having lived our entire lives, could have been created 5 minutes ago.

And by the same token, the universe and everything it contains, including our memories of having lived our entire lives, could have been created 5 minutes ago.

And by the same token, the universe and everything it contains, including our memories of having lived our entire lives, could have been created 5 minutes ago.

 

[ecco]

I do know the Covenants and why they were different for the times/ people, if you don’t want to search those out fine with me. I’ve been reminded many times that you all know the scriptures already and it would come accross as preaching so if you want to have a one on one conversation we can probably do that or not.

I would not assume they actually know the scripture. Usually nonbelievers just know a few select verses, that they use out of context.

Yeah. It's us dumbass atheists who pick and choose. Uh huh.

Is that why we never see fundamentalists quote the verses on slavery or verses approving rape or just dumb stuff like hitching posts and goat spots?


Is that why we never see fundamentalists quote the verses that contradict each other like "who was at the tomb"?



You folks also pick and choose what parts of science to believe and which to discard/ignore/disparage. For example, you believe the science behind 400,000 pound piles of metal being able to fly from New York to London. You believe the science that enables you to sit at that computer and type words that many people can see simultaneously. Some of you, certainly not all, believe the science that helped developed the COVID vaccines. None of you believe the science supporting Evolution. Pick and choose, pick and choose.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Is that why we never see fundamentalists quote the verses on slavery or verses approving rape or just dumb stuff like hitching posts and goat spots?


Is that why we never see fundamentalists quote the verses that contradict each other like "who was at the tomb"?

We read it all, we just happen to understand context and overall biblical story better.
I haven't seen any conflicts in who was at the tomb.

 

[Tiberius]

Yes they do and as for me, I have found the greatest treasure in life has been my relationship with Jesus Christ and the Bible isn’t just a book for me. God speaks to me through His Word, leads and guides me, has been a source of wisdom and understanding for me and has come alive, more than just words on a page for me.

And I'm happy for you.

Just saying that lots of other people can say the same thing about their faith, and it doesn't make them right.

 

[Valjean]

We read it all, we just happen to understand context and overall biblical story better.
I haven't seen any conflicts in who was at the tomb.

There are none so blind as those who will not see:

Matthew 28:1-8 says that when the two women, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, went to visit the tomb, there was an earthquake and an angel came down from heaven, rolled back the stone and sat on it. He told them Jesus was risen, so they left quickly and apparently without entering the tomb, so that they could tell the disciples.

Mark 16:1-8 says that when the three women, Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and Salome, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw a young man, who told them Jesus was risen and that they should go and tell the disciples and Peter. They left and told no one of this, for they were afraid.

Luke 24:1-12 says that when a group of women, including Mary Magdalene, another Mary and Joanna, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw two men in shining garments, who explained that Jesus was risen. When they went to tell the apostles, Peter ran to the sepulchre and looked inside, seeing only the linen cloths laid by themselves.

John 20:1-14 says that Mary Magdalene went alone to visit the tomb but as she approached, she saw the stone rolled away. She ran back, apparently without entering the tomb, and told of this to Peter and the disciple who Jesus loved. The two disciples both ran to the tomb and looked inside, but it was the beloved disciple who understood and believed. Mary Magdalene must have returned to the tomb, because she looked inside and saw two angels, then saw Jesus standing outside next to her.

These accounts are different. How can you not see it?

 

[ElishaElijah]

John 20:1-14 says that Mary Magdalene went alone to visit the tomb but as she approached, she saw the stone rolled away.

This is a false statement because the Bible doesn’t say Mary went alone and you can see that later in the account when the text says that (we don’t know where they laid Him.)

“Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭20:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So what these accounts show is that they compliment each other, none of the accounts give every single detail or timeline and they also show they weren’t based on collusion.