A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[ElishaElijah]

I suppose that when someone believes it's OK for their god to destroy all of humanity and all plants and animals except for a handful, nothing is too atrocious, everything can be justified and rationalized.

Your attitude is, "The bad guys shouldn't have ****ed with God's people. But since they did, God's people were justified in killing their wives and sons and raping their young daughters".

That's the same way the German people felt about the Jews, "The Jews are ****ing with us good German Christians, so let's just gas them all.

That's the same way European Christians feel about the witches, "You evil witches are ****ing with us good European Christians, so we are going to burn you alive by the tens of thousands".

Not even close but a perverted view of things in my op

I suppose that when someone believes it's OK for their god to destroy all of humanity and all plants and animals except for a handful, nothing is too atrocious, everything can be justified and rationalized.

Your attitude is, "The bad guys shouldn't have ****ed with God's people. But since they did, God's people were justified in killing their wives and sons and raping their young daughters".

That's the same way the German people felt about the Jews, "The Jews are ****ing with us good German Christians, so let's just gas them all.

That's the same way European Christians feel about the witches, "You evil witches are ****ing with us good European Christians, so we are going to burn you alive by the tens of thousands".

“But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭31:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Rape was a capital offense and that interpretation is your own, God’s view is marriage and setting the lonely in families. The Moabites sent their women in to commit sexual sin and idolatry. Yes if you mess with God you could die. He should be respected as He has proven.
“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“Let God arise, Let His enemies be scattered; Let those also who hate Him flee before Him. As smoke is driven away, So drive them away; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God. But let the righteous be glad; Let them rejoice before God; Yes, let them rejoice exceedingly. Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name Yah, And rejoice before Him. A father of the fatherless, a defender of widows, Is God in His holy habitation. God sets the solitary in families; He brings out those who are bound into prosperity; But the rebellious dwell in a dry land. O God, when You went out before Your people, When You marched through the wilderness, Selah”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭68:1-7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ecco]

Well if you want to play that game, we can add all the people killed by athiestic governments. Any religion can be used to justify anything. What's your point?

You just made my point! You wrote..."Any religion can be used to justify anything." Atheist regimes come and go. Atheist leaders try to encourage their followers.

Your god and his messenger Moses were responsible for the atrocities detailed in the bible over hundreds of years. Your god and his teaching-by-example are responsible for actual atrocities for thousands of years.

Nevertheless, I didn't try to rationalize and excuse the events that took place - either in the years since Christ or in your bible. You were the one rationalizing and excusing the atrocities that took place in your bible.

 

[ecco]

Not even close but a perverted view of things in my op

Not just from the OP but from posts you have made all along. If you want to say I have prevented your views, look no further than your next entry.

“But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭31:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You agree with your god and Moses that it is acceptable to take the virgin daughters and let your troops rape them. That's based on what you have been posting all along. You haven't been critical of what was done, you've justified it at every turn.

 

[Tiberius]

Doesn’t mean there weren’t others there and later on Mary is the one speaking and says we don’t know as in more than just her.

Then why weren't they mentioned?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You agree with your god and Moses that it is acceptable to take the virgin daughters and let your troops rape them. That's based on what you have been posting all along. You haven't been critical of what was done, you've justified it at every turn

Im saying the virgin girls were saved from their immoral nation and weren’t raped by the troops.’This thinking must come from your own imagination because as I stated that God is into placing them in families and getting married.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Then why weren't they mentioned?

Have to ask John, but can tell you that I don’t tell every single detail of my testimony all the time.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You just made my point! You wrote..."Any religion can be used to justify anything." Atheist regimes come and go. Atheist leaders try to encourage their followers.

Lol, really? Yeah, by killing those who don't do what they want! Atheism is also a religion BTW.

 

[Brian2]

Can any understanding of the bible be relied upon then?

Not all understandings of the Bible are based or have anything to do with scientific knowledge, so most understanding on the bible are safe from science discrediting them.

 

[Brian2]

Why is 'remaining stationary' desirable? Shouldn't the Bible be corrected when edits, copy errors, mistranslations, &al are discovered? Wouldn't that be a good thing? Shoudn't, at least, the interpretations be amended?

Yes you are right.

What does "go too far to agree with science" mean? Does that mean interpreters shouldn't take historical, archaeological or linguistic facts into consideration when interpreting?

Isn't an interpretation an opinion? What should that opinion be based on? -- a personal agenda, divine inspiration, or facts, ie: the best current knowledge?

I wouldn't call the best current knowledge facts and I wouldn't even call it the best current knowledge always.
Some sceptics read the Bible in a literal way and when a proposed solution to the science/religion genesis debate is given that does not read Genesis in the way they think it should be read then they can criticise as much as a young earth creationist would. Someone said to me that that they respect the YECs for sticking to their beliefs and what the Bible said.
Interpreters should take historical, archaeological and linguistic knowledge and any other knowledge and use it in interpreting the Bible, if indeed it is knowledge. (that can be a problem when fake news/facts are seen as real) but as I said some sceptics seem to disagree.

No! Not 'always right', more like "usually the best current understanding based on the most reliable, tangible evidence."
That's why scientific facts are always provisional, and why science is always looking for new evidence to clarify, test and improve it's interpretations.

I think I was being sarcastic when I said. "Science is always right even though it keeps changing."

The Big Picture rarely changes, it just becomes sharper as more pixels are added. This 'change' does not make the picture suspect or invalid.

If not scientific methodology, what methods do you advocate for judging, interpreting or testing religious scripture, or any writing, for that matter?

Scientific methodology can hold assumptions that from the start say that the Bible is incorrect.

 

[Valjean]

Well if you want to play that game, we can add all the people killed by athiestic governments.

It wasn't the government's atheism that killed all the people.

Any religion can be used to justify anything. What's your point?

Huh? What's your point? Surely you're not saying atheism's a religion.

Lol, really? Yeah, by killing those who don't do what they want! Atheism is also a religion BTW.

How is atheism a religion? It has no beliefs; no doctrine, no rituals, no sacred literature, no churches, no community of believers.
You obviously have no idea what atheism is. It's not a belief system. It's a lack of belief.

 

[Valjean]

Im saying the virgin girls were saved from their immoral nation and weren’t raped by the troops.’This thinking must come from your own imagination because as I stated that God is into placing them in families and getting married.

They were taken as slaves. You can't rape a slave, they're your property to do with as you will.

 

[rational experiences]

Intelligence. A human claim.

I am living today inside the exact same natural atmosphere as any other human.

If I talk about any other human it is because human sex owns their presence. I cannot talk about a human if I can't see them.

Two parents had sex. Once they were babies also. Origin human lived about 100 years ago is deceased.

How old are you human self today is a self answer.

Basic.

If you talk life it is right here right now.

If everyone stopped sex we all would age and die. Claiming everything else without us would exist.

For a human egotist that status human must be difficult to accept.

I was once told how would you know that you would not come back. As if sex isn't why we exist.

No I was told reading a book about Adam and Eve makes any human also Adam and Eve.

Geez my mum and dad weren't Adam and Eve.

If you false preach as a creationist evolutionist. Then in science it stated you do not accept natural status.

Plainly true.

Egotism. I believe I can tell stories about earth.

Earth what you look at today is exactly what earth owns today. You see it as it is today with anything it owns.

Say if you dug away two million years of natural dirt accumulation surely you don't believe you travelled back in time?

 

[Tiberius]

Have to ask John, but can tell you that I don’t tell every single detail of my testimony all the time.

Excuses, excuses.

 

[Tiberius]

Atheism is also a religion BTW.

What's the religious holy text for atheism then? What rites and ceremonies do they carry out? What is the hierarchical structure of the atheist church? Can you even show me an atheist church?

 

[Brian2]

It wasn't the government's atheism that killed all the people.

But it was the Christian's Christianity that killed all the people?

Huh? What's your point? Surely you're not saying atheism's a religion.
How is atheism a religion? It has no beliefs; no doctrine, no rituals, no sacred literature, no churches, no community of believers.
You obviously have no idea what atheism is. It's not a belief system. It's a lack of belief.

I think we all know what atheism is.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Excuses, excuses.

Or reality that the men had different perspectives of the same event, weren’t in collusion with each other and their accounts compliment each other about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Scriptures were also written for us who believe, they were written for the family.

“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Valjean]

But it was the Christian's Christianity that killed all the people?

Absolutely! The aggressive spread of Islam, the crusades, the religious wars of Europe, the Aztec and Inca genocides -- all done in the name of religion.
Atheism, on the other hand, has no doctrine or orthodox set of beliefs to promote. There were no wars in the name of Atheism.

You brought up the Godless Commies. Yes, atheism was the official stance on religion, but it was not for atheism that Lennin or Stalin killed millions.

I think we all know what atheism is.

If you think it's some sort of religion then obviously you don't.

So what, in your opinion, is atheism?

 

[Wildswanderer]

How is atheism a religion? It has no beliefs; no doctrine, no rituals, no sacred literature, no churches, no community of believers.
You obviously have no idea what atheism is. It's not a belief system. It's a lack of belief.

Which is in itself a belief system. Duh.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What's the religious holy text for atheism then? What rites and ceremonies do they carry out? What is the hierarchical structure of the atheist church? Can you even show me an atheist church?

Belief systems are religion. You don't need any of those things to have a religion.

 

[Valjean]

Which is in itself a belief system. Duh.

No, it's not. How is it a belief system. Wouldn't a belief system require a belief? -- and a system?
What is it you think atheists believe???

Belief systems are religion. You don't need any of those things to have a religion.

But you do need a belief. What do atheists believe? How is it systematic.

Is lack of belief in leprechauns or unicorns also a belief system, and religion?