A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[Jose Fly]

Im saying the virgin girls were saved from their immoral nation and weren’t raped by the troops.’This thinking must come from your own imagination because as I stated that God is into placing them in families and getting married.

Do you understand how ridiculous that scenario is? You're saying that a young girl who just watched her entire family be slaughtered by Hebrew soldiers....her mom, dad, and possibly newborn baby brother......and is taken captive by those soldiers, is going to willingly marry and have sex with them?

I'm always fascinated when Christians actually defend and justify genocide and taking girls as the spoils of war. Kinda puts that whole "Biblical morality" thing into perspective, eh?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you understand how ridiculous that scenario is? You're saying that a young girl who just watched her entire family be slaughtered by Hebrew soldiers....her mom, dad, and possibly newborn baby brother......and is taken captive by those soldiers, is going to willingly marry and have sex with them?

The way I see it she watched her king hire a prophet to curse a nation only to watch God bless that nation. When that didn’t work she watched the king prostitute their women out instead so yes I think she was glad to be in the Israelite camp and married to a man who wouldn’t do that.

 

[Jose Fly]

The way I see it she watched her king hire a prophet to curse a nation only to watch God bless that nation. When that didn’t work she watched the king prostitute their women out instead so yes I think she was glad to be in the Israelite camp and married to a man who wouldn’t do that.

This is one of the things that initiated my rejection of Christianity.....Christians being eager to justify the mass slaughter of babies, women, and children, as well as taking young girls as spoils of war.

The goofy and unrealistic rationalizations y'all come up with for this nonsense is just plain disgusting at times. Any decent person should be ashamed.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is one of the things that initiated my rejection of Christianity.....Christians being eager to justify the mass slaughter of babies, women, and children, as well as taking young girls as spoils of war.

The goofy and unrealistic rationalizations y'all come up with for this nonsense is just plain disgusting at times. Any decent person should be ashamed.

You call it rationalization, I see it as looking at the whole story and not just one part. Not only that but if it was up to Balak he would’ve destroyed the Israelites

 

[Jose Fly]

You call it rationalization, I see it as looking at the whole story and not just one part. Not only that but if it was up to Balak he would’ve destroyed the Israelites

The fact remains, you are defending genocide and taking girls as spoils of war. There's really nothing else to say.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The fact remains, you are defending genocide and taking girls as spoils of war. There's really nothing else to say.

I see God defending his covenant people against an evil king who was warned multiple times to leave them alone. It would’ve been a lot better if no one got killed, that there was no war. I’m always for people getting along. That’s not what happens though. You and I don’t know all the details but if you want to blame God as evil that’s your prerogative, what I know of God and what He has done leads me to believe that He is Just and Fair.

 

[ecco]

Im saying the virgin girls were saved from their immoral nation and weren’t raped by the troops.’This thinking must come from your own imagination because as I stated that God is into placing them in families and getting married.

In your scripture, God tells Moses to kill the older women and all the boys. If your rationalization is correct, why weren't the young boys also saved from their immoral nation?


You can publicly try to deny that giving the virgins to the soldiers is so the soldiers can rape them. Hopefully, deep down inside you know better.

Do you have any idea what the Hutus and Tutsis did to each other? Do you have any idea what the Serbs did to the Croats?

Rationalizing Biblical atrocities is what gives Christian leaders authority to commit similar acts "What we are doing to our enemies is no different than what God has dictated".

Any rationalizing of these atrocities by civilized people is beyond pathetic.

 

[ecco]

Lol, really? Yeah, by killing those who don't do what they want! Atheism is also a religion BTW.

It's not a laughing matter. It's sad you don't understand that. And, no. Atheism is not a religion. The only people who say it is a religion are those who must try to drag atheists down to their level.

Your god and his messenger Moses were responsible for the atrocities detailed in the bible over hundreds of years. Your god and his teaching-by-example are responsible for actual atrocities for thousands of years.

Nevertheless, I didn't try to rationalize and excuse the events that took place - either in the years since Christ or in your bible. You were the one rationalizing and excusing the atrocities that took place in your bible.

It's interesting that you were unable to respond to the rest of my post. Can't you comment on the atrocities committed in the name of your God? I know you are not ashamed by His actions, but I'd like to hear your rationalizations.

 

[ecco]

Not all understandings of the Bible are based or have anything to do with scientific knowledge, so most understanding on the bible are safe from science discrediting them.

However, much of the "Biblical Morality" is not safe from being discredited by rational, civilized human beings.

We have also seen believers try desperately to defend and rationalize the immorality of acts ordered by and perpetrated in the name of the Biblical God.

 

[ElishaElijah]

In your scripture, God tells Moses to kill the older women and all the boys. If your rationalization is correct, why weren't the young boys also saved from their immoral nation?

There are a lot of atrocities recorded in the Bible, that doesn’t mean God authorized or condoned these things.
On the other hand if God commanded something I’m going to side with Him because He’s proven to be Just, Fair, Generous, Holy and Righteous.

 

[Jose Fly]

There are a lot of atrocities recorded in the Bible, that doesn’t mean God authorized or condoned these things.
On the other hand if God commanded something I’m going to side with Him because He’s proven to be Just, Fair, Generous, Holy and Righteous.

If God commanded you to kill everyone in a neighborhood....men, women, children, babies.....would you do it?

 

[ecco]

In your scripture, God tells Moses to kill the older women and all the boys. If your rationalization is correct, why weren't the young boys also saved from their immoral nation?

There are a lot of atrocities recorded in the Bible, that doesn’t mean God authorized or condoned these things.
On the other hand if God commanded something I’m going to side with Him because He’s proven to be Just, Fair, Generous, Holy and Righteous.

In the example I gave, it was indeed your god who authorized or condoned the actions.

So, you can't explain why your god didn't want little boys saved.


Of course, you will side with Him. Please explain the fairness in killing the wives and sons and giving the virgin daughters to the soldiers to be raped. Please explain how that is just, generous and especially righteous.




Actually, I don't know why I bother to ask. You have repeatedly rationalized the utter atrociousness of your god's actions. I don't expect anything to change.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If God commanded you to kill everyone in a neighborhood....men, women, children, babies.....would you do it?

He told me to love my neighbors, which we do. On the other hand in our current society we make laws that place women and children in danger by allowing men to walk around naked in the women’s spa area, kill offspring, justify stealing, murder etc. like a lot of cities right now.
So we didn’t live in that period of time where nations like Egypt enslaved the Israelites and the other nations attacked them and ended up dying themselves.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Of course, you will side with Him. Please explain the fairness in killing the wives and sons and giving the virgin daughters to the soldiers to be raped. Please explain how that is just, generous and especially righteous.

This is the account so where is the rape part, you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about because you weren’t there.
“And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the children of Israel. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” And they warred against the Midianites, just as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed all the males. They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of those who were killed—Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. Balaam the son of Beor they also killed with the sword. And the children of Israel took the women of Midian captive, with their little ones, and took as spoil all their cattle, all their flocks, and all their goods. They also burned with fire all the cities where they dwelt, and all their forts. And they took all the spoil and all the booty—of man and beast. Then they brought the captives, the booty, and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the children of Israel, to the camp in the plains of Moab by the Jordan, across from Jericho. And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them outside the camp. And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive? Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭31:1-2, 7-13, 15-18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
God is the only one that can Judge properly

 

[Jose Fly]

He told me to love my neighbors, which we do. On the other hand in our current society we make laws that place women and children in danger by allowing men to walk around naked in the women’s spa area, kill offspring, justify stealing, murder etc. like a lot of cities right now.
So we didn’t live in that period of time where nations like Egypt enslaved the Israelites and the other nations attacked them and ended up dying themselves.

You didn't answer the question. Try again.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You didn't answer the question. Try again.

It was a ridiculous hypothetical question and I did answer it

 

[Tiberius]

Or reality that the men had different perspectives of the same event, weren’t in collusion with each other and their accounts compliment each other about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So? If two people experienced the same event, then their stories will be consistent with each other. If their accounts are different, then it indicates they did not experience the same event.

If I go to see a movie with my girlfriend, and I say it was an exciting science fiction action thriller that was full of special effects, explosions, CGI monsters and car chases, and then she says it was a quiet drama about a family struggling to come to terms with the death of their patriarch, would you believe we had gone to see the same movie?

The Scriptures were also written for us who believe, they were written for the family.

“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So written for people who already believe and thus aren't likely to go in looking for mistakes.

 

[Tiberius]

Belief systems are religion. You don't need any of those things to have a religion.

Is being a Star Trek fan a religion?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Is being a Star Trek fan a religion?

For some people probably!

 

[ElishaElijah]

So? If two people experienced the same event, then their stories will be consistent with each other. If their accounts are different, then it indicates they did not experience the same event.

If I go to see a movie with my girlfriend, and I say it was an exciting science fiction action thriller that was full of special effects, explosions, CGI monsters and car chases, and then she says it was a quiet drama about a family struggling to come to terms with the death of their patriarch, would you believe we had gone to see the same movie?



So written for people who already believe and thus aren't likely to go in looking for mistakes.

That was a bad example because their stories/accounts were consistent, Jesus rose from the dead. All the details are in the stories/accounts and like I said they compliment not contradict like your example.