A rare occurence from God

[savagewind]

That is a broken something.

 

[savagewind]

He had his crown of being archangel=chief of the angels. The kingship was appointed( Dan 7:13-15) 1000 years then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father-1Cor 15:24-28

Can you see that you are saying he receives the kingship and then after a thousand years he hands it back to his God and Father? Then you say that the vision described at Revelation six started in 1914. So? According to your governing body, we are IN the thousand years now.

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 If Jesus rules for a 1000 years and his right to rule is pictured by Revelation 6:2 and Revelation 6 is about events starting in 1914 then the 1000 years started in 1914. I think it is what you are saying, but it is not what you believe or have been taught. Is it? Are Jehovah's Witnesses now saying that we are living in the thousand years presently?

 

[savagewind]

A simple question for you @kjw. Did the thousand years rule of Jesus Christ start in 1914?

A harder question for you. Did Jesus receive the crown pictured in Revelation 6:2 in 1914?

 

[kjw47]

Apparently you didn't get or read the memo:

“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 22).​

It is no longer the entire "faithful discreet slave" that feeds the sheep, but only a "small group" within the "faithful slave" that dispenses spiritual food. That small group is the Governing Board.

This is in direct contradiction to what is taught in the New World Testament..the one without all the "Trinity filled errors":

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
​

So in the New World Translation we see, according to your Organization's interpretation, that it is one "faithful discreet slave class" of anointed brothers that dispenses food, but from the Watchtower, since approximately 2013, it's only a "small group" of anointed brothers, the Governing Board, that dispenses food.

I'm asking you which is correct...your bible or the Watchtower? Also, where does it say the "faithful discreet slave class" would be split in two, and why does one slave tell the other slave not to dispense food when the Master clearly states only those slaves who dispense food at the proper time will be happy when he returns?

Remember KJW...it is the Master who appointed this slave over his domestics, not other slaves.

You have no idea what the other part of the Faithful slave does in that process. All are workers, witness' of Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

Not true! The men that ran your organization in 1914 SAID they saw it and told all the rank and file, who were told to believe everything those men said!!

Its clearly described at Rev 6--White horse= righteous war--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them to the earth. He came as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short-- ww1--mens hearts filled with hatred all over the earth. Jw,s imprisioned( satans goal)--millions slaughtered--after ww1--the other 3 riders rode as well-millions upon millions all over the earth died from the filth of the slaughter, diseases, pestilence, starvation, etc-- they still ride. The supposed brothers in Christ stood on both sides killing each other.

 

[kjw47]

Wow! The darkness caused 99% not to see, but everyone saw them arrive!

If everyone saw them arrive KJW, why do you consider them in darkness? And if they are in darkness, why do you say they saw them arrive?

I'm really trying to grasp the logical flow or some pattern within your responses, but I'll be honest and say I'm missing it.

Can you elaborate on your answer?

When ones teachers are in darkness none of them can see, yet it still occurred so all really saw it in a sense.

 

[kjw47]

Chapter and verse to back these claims?

The war in heaven--satan kicked out forever= the bruising of his head. Foretold in Genesis that Jesus would do that and satan would bruise Jesus in the heel(death on earth)--Michael rode the war in heaven--Michael is Jesus. Michael is standing up Daniel 12:1

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 If Jesus rules for a 1000 years and his right to rule is pictured by Revelation 6:2 and Revelation 6 is about events starting in 1914 then the 1000 years started in 1914. I think it is what you are saying, but it is not what you believe or have been taught. Is it? Are Jehovah's Witnesses now saying that we are living in the thousand years presently?

That began the presence, not the 1000 year rule-- The 1000 year rule is over the earth when Gods kingdom takes control Dan 2:44)

 

[kjw47]

Can you see that you are saying he receives the kingship and then after a thousand years he hands it back to his God and Father? Then you say that the vision described at Revelation six started in 1914. So? According to your governing body, we are IN the thousand years now.

No the presence. the 1000 years is ruling over the earth in full control.

 

[savagewind]

That began the presence, not the 1000 year rule-- The 1000 year rule is over the earth when Gods kingdom takes control Dan 2:44)

Jesus with a crown pictures God's Kingdom rule. That is what we are talking about.

We are talking about the crown. I mean, I am.

 

[savagewind]

No the presence. the 1000 years is ruling over the earth in full control.

I believe that. So, now the question. The crown. When was Jesus granted the crown?

 

[kjw47]

Jesus with a crown pictures God's Kingdom rule. That is what we are talking about.

We are talking about the crown. I mean, I am.

Jesus is ruling heaven 100%, not the earth as of yet--The 1000 year rule pertains to the little flock as well--they are not all there yet--during the tribulation they get changed in the twinkling of an eye--I pray its right when Gog of Magog comes to kill and they see it firsthand--Then I believe this truth will be, found in Ezekial about 20 x--They will have to know, I am YHWH(Jehovah)

 

[kjw47]

I believe that. So, now the question. The crown. When was Jesus granted the crown?

I showed you--rev 6

 

[savagewind]

I showed you--rev 6

You are confused. Do you know the ancient meaning of Babylon? Confusion. Isn't it?

 

[savagewind]

According to your own thoughts on the matter, @kjw47 Jesus can't be he who is pictured at Revelation 6:2. But, because you believe it anyway because they told you that you have to believe it, your mind is divided. Divided means not whole and might even mean not holy. 1 Peter 1:16

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Its clearly described at Rev 6--White horse= righteous war--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them to the earth. He came as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short-- ww1--mens hearts filled with hatred all over the earth. Jw,s imprisioned( satans goal)--millions slaughtered--after ww1--the other 3 riders rode as well-millions upon millions all over the earth died from the filth of the slaughter, diseases, pestilence, starvation, etc-- they still ride. The supposed brothers in Christ stood on both sides killing each other.

So you believe we are in the tribulation now?

Its clearly described at Rev 6--White horse= righteous war--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them to the earth. He came as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short-- ww1--mens hearts filled with hatred all over the earth. Jw,s imprisioned( satans goal)--millions slaughtered--after ww1--the other 3 riders rode as well-millions upon millions all over the earth died from the filth of the slaughter, diseases, pestilence, starvation, etc-- they still ride. The supposed brothers in Christ stood on both sides killing each other.

during the tribulation they get changed in the twinkling of an eye-

When will they be changed in the twinkling of an eye? I mean, since we are in the tribulation now, according to your post.

 

[Oeste]

You have no idea what the other part of the Faithful slave does in that process

Don't be silly.

You can read exactly what the process of the "faithful slave" is in right in the New World Translation:

I quoted you the scripture twice already KJW. Surely you read it. You must have in order to respond to my question, correct?

And since it was you who started this thread, I think at the minimum we deserve answers to questions. So if you think "I have no idea" then you can explain your idea to me, plain and simple.

So here we have the New World Translation telling us the Master has instructed the entire slave, all 144,000 "anointed", to give food at the proper time:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
​

And here we have your Governing Board telling the slave "Not so fast. Forget what the Master told you. We, the Governing Board will distribute the food, the rest of you slaves run along and do something else".

Since it was the Master who appoints the slave, and not the slave who appoints the slave, who is correct? The New World Translation or the "small group" that claims it alone distributes food?:

“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 22).​

This is my 3rd time asking KJW. If you have no idea and can't answer the question just say so. I'd rather you be honest with us rather than chase you around, time and time again for nebulous, coy and elusive answers.

 

[Oeste]

When ones teachers are in darkness none of them can see, yet it still occurred so all really saw it in a sense.

What sense?

You're telling us if we don't see something because of darkness we see it nevertheless?

I'm wondering what kind of prosecutor you would make:

KJW: "Can you tell us what went on?"

Witness: " No, it was too dark and I couldn't see."

KJW: "Then in a sense you saw what went on, didn't you?"
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Can you elaborate a bit more on how our teachers "really saw" what it was too dark for them to see?

 

[savagewind]

So many contradictions @kjw47.

How can you call what you know The Truth when you believe in two ideas that contradict each other?