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A rare occurence from God

savagewind

savagewind

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Who Are the Four Horsemen?

Note that the first rider, Jesus, begins his ride when he receives a crown. (Revelation 6:2) When was Jesus crowned as King in heaven? It was not when he returned to heaven after his death. The Bible shows that a period of waiting began back then. (Hebrews 10:12, 13) Jesus gave his followers a means of recognizing the end of that waiting period and the beginning of his reign in heaven. He said that at the beginning of his rule, world conditions would take a decisive turn for the worse. There would be warfare, food shortages, and pestilences. (Matthew 24:3, 7; Luke 21:10, 11) Soon after World War I broke out in 1914, it became apparent that mankind had entered that era, a troubled time on earth that the Bible calls “the last days.” —2 Timothy 3:1-5....... since Jesus received his crown in 1914
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savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
He had his crown of being archangel=chief of the angels. The kingship was appointed( Dan 7:13-15) 1000 years then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father-1Cor 15:24-28
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Do you see that you have said Jesus receives the kingship at the beginning of the thousand years but the Watchtower says it was in 1914 that he received it?

Which are we to believe?

Which one is true?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
Yes it is very important for everyone to learn and apply ALL that Jesus taught. After all A very rare occurrence points all to do so. At Jesus baptism, God spoke from heaven--This is my son, the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM. Few know what he taught. I show them and most claiming to serve him reject what he taught. Because they do not like it.
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They do not like to be told to believe in two ideas that contradict each other. And? Do you blame them?
 
kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
So you believe we are in the tribulation now?







When will they be changed in the twinkling of an eye? I mean, since we are in the tribulation now, according to your post.
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The tribulation is began by the fall of Babylon the great( false religions) at the hand of the 7 headed beast.
I NEVER stated we were in the Trib. Can you read English?
 
kjw47

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Oeste said:
Don't be silly. :rolleyes:

You can read exactly what the process of the "faithful slave" is in right in the New World Translation:

I quoted you the scripture twice already KJW. Surely you read it. You must have in order to respond to my question, correct?

And since it was you who started this thread, I think at the minimum we deserve answers to questions. So if you think "I have no idea" then you can explain your idea to me, plain and simple.

So here we have the New World Translation telling us the Master has instructed the entire slave, all 144,000 "anointed", to give food at the proper time:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
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And here we have your Governing Board telling the slave "Not so fast. Forget what the Master told you. We, the Governing Board will distribute the food, the rest of you slaves run along and do something else".

Since it was the Master who appoints the slave, and not the slave who appoints the slave, who is correct? The New World Translation or the "small group" that claims it alone distributes food?:

“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 22).​

This is my 3rd time asking KJW. If you have no idea and can't answer the question just say so. I'd rather you be honest with us rather than chase you around, time and time again for nebulous, coy and elusive answers.
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Wow you have no clue yet think you can speak on things you know 0.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Oeste said:
What sense?

You're telling us if we don't see something because of darkness we see it nevertheless?

I'm wondering what kind of prosecutor you would make:

KJW: "Can you tell us what went on?"

Witness: " No, it was too dark and I couldn't see."

KJW: "Then in a sense you saw what went on, didn't you?"
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Can you elaborate a bit more on how our teachers "really saw" what it was too dark for them to see?
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It was seen, because it occurred--Yet the ones blinded by satan( 2Cor 4:4) cannot see, yet they saw it occur but are oblivious.
 
savagewind

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kjw47 said:
The tribulation is began by the fall of Babylon the great( false religions) at the hand of the 7 headed beast.
I NEVER stated we were in the Trib. Can you read English?
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I think you did when you told us that Jesus receives his crown at the beginning of the tribulation. Did you not say that? Has Jesus received the crown?
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
Do you see that you have said Jesus receives the kingship at the beginning of the thousand years but the Watchtower says it was in 1914 that he received it?

Which are we to believe?

Which one is true?
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Jesus received his crown at rev 6--He is ruling heaven as we speak. I explained to you--The 144,000 are promised to be apart of the 1000 year reign, They all must be in heaven. They are not right now--Its the presence, not the 1000 year reign.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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kjw47 said:
Its clearly described at Rev 6--White horse= righteous war--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them to the earth. He came as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short-- ww1--mens hearts filled with hatred all over the earth. Jw,s imprisioned( satans goal)--millions slaughtered--after ww1--the other 3 riders rode as well-millions upon millions all over the earth died from the filth of the slaughter, diseases, pestilence, starvation, etc-- they still ride. The supposed brothers in Christ stood on both sides killing each other.
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kjw47 said:
The tribulation is began by the fall of Babylon the great( false religions) at the hand of the 7 headed beast.
I NEVER stated we were in the Trib. Can you read English?
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Yes, I can read English, but will never understand your double talk!

The 3 riders ride when the seals are broken, which is the tribulation! You claim the 3 riders already rode.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
That is all true--But concerning the 1000 year reign does not begin until Har-mageddon is done on the earth and the 144,000 are all in heaven in place beside Jesus. The 1000 year reign is over the earth with no satan influences involved.
The presence began in 1914--not the 1000 year reign. Matt 24:37--1Cor 15:23-- 2Pet 3:4
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So, Jesus is present but he has not been given any authority yet. So what if he is present? Without his crown from Jehovah, he can do NOTHING.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
So, Jesus is present but he has not been given any authority yet. So what if he is present? Without his crown from Jehovah, he can do NOTHING.
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He is ruling heaven as we speak and his true followers on earth. The rest of the earth has lost to satan and are not under his rule-- They do not listen to him, they do not know him.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
Did you say he receives it at the beginning of the thousand years?
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When you want to get real and learn to read English talk to me again, I answered your silliness enough. You just keep twisting--this is why-Jeremiah 17:9, 2Cor 4:4)
 
savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
He is ruling heaven as we speak and his true followers on earth. The rest of the earth has lost to satan and are not under his rule-- They do not listen to him, they do not know him.
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There you go again contradicting scripture! The white horse is shown riding on the Earth, but here you say, "He is ruling from Heaven".
 
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