A Religious Thread

[Solskinn Jente]

I learned about Indian seasons yesterday(came up in the Mahabharata as I was reading through).

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I was enthusiastic to see six; I've always felt the four seasons set up to be inaccurate for my area and had thought of there being six before I read such a thing.

I like it too. I think it makes more sense in general.

 

[JustGeorge]

I like it too. I think it makes more sense in general.

What are your seasons like?

 

[InChrist]

Then why is "church" used 109 times in the NT? What about Jesus's statement "When two or more..."? Why did he appoint Apostles and tell the Flock to obey them?

Christianity is not a "Just do it yourself" practice.

I never said anything against church. I definitely don’t think biblical Christianity is a do it yourself thing. Just saying I don’t consider it a religion or practice, rather a relationship. Obviously, a relationship with God is not “just do it yourself “. Also, I am quite involved with a local church and the people there.

 

[Truthseeker]

huh, u made Panama seem so far away but the reason I showed up was because I felt so much at home. A big part of my recent absence was there was a guy I needed to meet up w/ at the same time (local here) but he now has some other commitment so maybe I can get to be back again.

Yes, you made it there this week. Good to have you back. It was a lively discussion.

 

[Truthseeker]

I learned about Indian seasons yesterday(came up in the Mahabharata as I was reading through).

Indian Seasons, Indian Ritus Start Date and Timings for Baltimore, Maryland, United States

This page provides start (and end) date and timings for Indian Seasons in year 2024 for Baltimore, Maryland, United States. Indian Seasons are also known as Indian Ritus.

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I was enthusiastic to see six; I've always felt the four seasons set up to be inaccurate for my area and had thought of there being six before I read such a thing.

You're in Iowa, not India. I don't get it.

 

[JustGeorge]

You're in Iowa, not India. I don't get it.

I'm in Iowa, but the '4 seasons' set up never made sense to me. It never actually aligned with what the weather/climate did. I remember bellyaching that I felt there were really 6 seasons here. I thought it was neat to learn that India's six seasons aligns more with the changes we experience here, though not the weather occurring.

It seems like(starting around January), we have a really cold and snowy two months, followed by about two months where its still cold, but the snow dies down and begins to melt. It isn't a flower budded spring that's often depicted, but a muddy mess with ice chunks in it. Then comes two months where stuff grows, things flower, and its pretty with moderate temperatures. Two months where its hot and dry, though everything's green. Bugs drone on. Summer at its highest. Then comes two months where the leaves turn pretty colors, things cool, we get rain showers. The last period its cold and dark, the leaves are gone. Not usually a whole lot of snow, but its brown and dead out, and unpleasant to behold.

It just seems the seasons(whatever you want to call them) change by about the two month mark, rather than the traditional three month. The Pagans have the wheel of the year, which changes about every 6 weeks, but I never felt that lined up with Iowa weather, either(being mostly based on European traditions).

 

[Truthseeker]

I'm in Iowa, but the '4 seasons' set up never made sense to me. It never actually aligned with what the weather/climate did. I remember bellyaching that I felt there were really 6 seasons here. I thought it was neat to learn that India's six seasons aligns more with the changes we experience here, though not the weather occurring.

It seems like(starting around January), we have a really cold and snowy two months, followed by about two months where its still cold, but the snow dies down and begins to melt. It isn't a flower budded spring that's often depicted, but a muddy mess with ice chunks in it. Then comes two months where stuff grows, things flower, and its pretty with moderate temperatures. Two months where its hot and dry, though everything's green. Bugs drone on. Summer at its highest. Then comes two months where the leaves turn pretty colors, things cool, we get rain showers. The last period its cold and dark, the leaves are gone. Not usually a whole lot of snow, but its brown and dead out, and unpleasant to behold.

It just seems the seasons(whatever you want to call them) change by about the two month mark, rather than the traditional three month. The Pagans have the wheel of the year, which changes about every 6 weeks, but I never felt that lined up with Iowa weather, either(being mostly based on European traditions).

Yes, among meteorologists, they speak of 4 seasons, because of the equinoxes and solstices of the Earth going around the sun. That doesn't mean it has be 4 distinct seasons.

 

[JustGeorge]

Yes, among meteorologists, they speak of 4 seasons, because of the equinoxes and solstices of the Earth going around the sun. That doesn't mean it has be 4 distinct seasons.

I understand that, but when you're in school, they very painstakingly teach you about the four seasons, and what [supposedly] happens at these times. It was very confusing as a child to be told "its spring, and now there are flowers!" when all you see is mud and ice, and know that's going to be like that for awhile.

 

[Rival]

I understand that, but when you're in school, they very painstakingly teach you about the four seasons, and what [supposedly] happens at these times. It was very confusing as a child to be told "its spring, and now there are flowers!" when all you see is mud and ice, and know that's going to be like that for awhile.

Our world has changed a lot since these seasonal markers actually worked.

They're broadly based on late Mediaeval and Early Modern understandings of the people who went to the US (in your case). As for the English, their Summer started in May because of the Mediaeval Warm Period, and lasted well into September. The seasons were clearly not equal and the summers longer. Spring would have been short, barely noticeable, and we didn't even have a word for it apart from 'lencten' (i.e., lengthen, and thus the word 'Lent') when the days become longer. The idea of 'spring' as in springing greenery didn't come about until just after the Mediaeval Era and probably reflects the Cooling Period - that 'springing' was probably part of a Mediaeval Summer. Snowy winter is a Dickensian, Victorian myth that almost never happens that way apart from in Northern Europe. The seasons in our head are very culturally bound and no longer reflect the weather changes since the Early Modern period apart from Spring, which would have been much more noticeable after their severely cold winters.

 

[JustGeorge]

Our world has changed a lot since these seasonal markers actually worked.

They're broadly based on late Mediaeval and Early Modern understandings of the people who went to the US (in your case). As for the English, their Summer started in May because of the Mediaeval Warm Period, and lasted well into September. The seasons were clearly not equal and the summers longer. Spring would have been short, barely notable, and we didn't even have a word for it apart from 'lencten' (i.e., lengthen, and thus the word 'Lent') when the days become longer. The idea of 'spring' as in springing greenery didn't come about until just after the Mediaeval Era and probably reflects the Cooling Period - that 'springing' was probably part of a Mediaeval Summer. Snowy winter is a Dickensian, Victorian myth that almost never happens that way apart from in Northern Europe. The seasons in our head are very culturally bound and no longer reflect the weather changes since the Early Modern period apart from Spring, which would have been much more noticeable after their severely cold winters.

I think we(local cultures) oughta amend this. Upon homeschooling, I realized I couldn't teach the four season set up with a straight face, and adjusted to simply talk about local weather patterns.

Weather patterns have even changed in my short life. Many years we go quickly from winter to summer weather(spring and fall type weather seem to go faster). Rain and bad weather seem to hit in the fall heaviest, as opposed to spring. (Not trying to get into a conversation on climate change, just noting how things change, yet the way we look at them doesn't always, at least not right away.)

 

[Rival]

I think we(local cultures) oughta amend this. Upon homeschooling, I realized I couldn't teach the four season set up with a straight face, and adjusted to simply talk about local weather patterns.

Weather patterns have even changed in my short life. Many years we go quickly from winter to summer weather(spring and fall type weather seem to go faster). Rain and bad weather seem to hit in the fall heaviest, as opposed to spring. (Not trying to get into a conversation on climate change, just noting how things change, yet the way we look at them doesn't always, at least not right away.)

For some reason I always expect December to freeze but that's actually FEBRUARY. The worst.

 

[JustGeorge]

For some reason I always expect December to freeze but that's actually FEBRUARY. The worst.

We've usually reached freezing by December, and might have snow on and off, but February is when everything's at least a foot under snow, and temps range from below zero to about 20F for a warm day. (-18 to -6C)

 

[Pete in Panama]

Yes, you made it there this week. Good to have you back. It was a lively discussion.

It was fun!

 

[metis]

If ya want cold, come to Michigan-- especially the U.P. Our place there near Marquette had 340" of snow during one winter around 20 years ago, and then about 5 years later we had 3 nights in a row whereas the temp was around -40 F. Not good for sunbathing.

 

[JustGeorge]

If ya want cold, come to Michigan-- especially the U.P. Our place there near Marquette had 340" of snow during one winter around 20 years ago, and then about 5 years later we had 3 nights in a row whereas the temp was around -40 F. Not good for sunbathing.

My uncle grew up here, but lives in St Joseph, MI(and has for most of his life). He said where he is generally stays warmer than where I am; something about warm air over the lake keeping things more temperate.

 

[metis]

My uncle grew up here, but lives in St Joseph, MI(and has for most of his life). He said where he is generally stays warmer than where I am; something about warm air over the lake keeping things more temperate.

That's not too far from Kalamazoo where I lived for 4 years while doing my undergrad studies at WMU. I was just there last week as that place had a major impact on my life. See my Signature Statement at the bottom of my posts.

 

[JustGeorge]

That's not too far from Kalamazoo where I lived for 4 years while doing my undergrad studies at WMU. I was just there last week as that place had a major impact on my life. See my Signature Statement at the bottom of my posts.

I've noted that signature before, and remembered you said you'd be going...

How was the trip?

 

[Rival]

Religion --> The weather.

Most civil discussion about religion ever?

 

[JustGeorge]

Religion --> The weather.

Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Religion is still unimportant to me. But I did find a group for atheists, agnostics, secular humanists types (that meets on Sundays) and I'm finally meeting some people here with friendship potential so I don't have to keep saying mine are all back in Indiana. One was even a big time jugallette when she was younger.