A Universe from Nothing?

[godnotgod]

New-age is muddling in these traditional terms with pseudo-science and ill-defined jargon.

I can't help you if you continue to see these ideas in that manner. You'll just have to get over it, I suppose. Could take millions of reincarnations.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The physicists who see it this way, such as Goswami, Hagelin, Penrose, Capra, and others are in the minority and not taken seriously by the physics establishment .

But you keep posting their stuff anyway because you think their idiosyncratic opinions supports your new-age beliefs. Oh well.

 

[godnotgod]

The sub-atomic world is very weird, but so what? At our human scale things ARE real, because behaviour is described by Newtonian mechanics rather than quantum mechanics. So if I drop a brick on my foot it will hurt, and my settee doesn't disappear back into the quantum foam when I happen not be be looking at it.

We've already traversed this ground. The Newtonian world and the Quantum world are not two different worlds. There is but one world.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I can't help you if you continue to see these ideas in that manner.

Why should I want you to "help me"? What you mean is that cannot respond to the observations I am making.

 

[godnotgod]

But you keep posting their stuff anyway because you think their idiosyncratic opinions supports your new-age beliefs. Oh well.

I post them because they support my own realization that the Universe is consciousness manifesting itself as the universe. You and I are nothing but consciousness manifesting itself as Rick and godnotgod. Your identity is bogus.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

We've already traversed this ground. The Newtonian world and the Quantum world are not two different worlds. There is but one world.

We experience the everyday world, not the sub-atomic world. The behaviour of stuff in the everyday world of the human scale is defined by Newtonian mechanics, the quantum stuff is unseen.

 

[godnotgod]

Why should I want you to "help me"? What you mean is that cannot respond to the observations I am making.

What I mean is that you are responding from a position of highly conditioned awareness.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I post them because they support my own realization that the Universe is consciousness manifesting itself as the universe. You and I are nothing but consciousness manifesting itself as Rick and godnotgod. Your identity is bogus.

If your realisation was genuine you wouldn't need to keep scrabbling around trying to find support for it. From what you post here I don't see realisation, I see an attachment to new-age metaphysical beliefs.

 

[godnotgod]

We experience the everyday world, not the sub-atomic world. The behaviour of stuff in the everyday world of the human scale is defined by Newtonian mechanics, the quantum stuff is unseen.

No, we experience both, but are only conscious of the gross world in our everyday life, but present at all times is the sub-atomic world of virtual particles and wave function. There is not one world over here and another over there. It is all one world.

 

[ArtieE]

It is the Unified Field that is Pure Abstract Intelligence, out of which all of the worlds emerge as virtual worlds; as possibility.

No I asked if this Field is conscious or is consciousness?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

What I mean is that you are responding from a position of highly conditioned awareness.

You are the one with all the metaphysical beliefs and opinions. It is beliefs which condition awareness, so you are stuffed.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No, we experience both, but are only conscious of the gross world in our everyday life, but present at all times is the sub-atomic world of virtual particles and wave function. There is not one world over here and another over there. It is all one world.

We experience what we are conscious of. We are not conscious of the sub-atomic world.

 

[godnotgod]

If your realisation was genuine you wouldn't need to keep scrabbling around trying to find support for it. From what you post here I don't see realisation, I see an attachment to new-age metaphysical beliefs.

I do not subscribe to anything new age.

Because my view is in the minority, I must provide material to support it. It is not a position just of my own concoction. A good number of luminaries see it this way too.

 

[godnotgod]

You are the one with all the metaphysical beliefs and opinions.

Realization is not belief or opinion.

 

[ak.yonathan]

We experience the everyday world, not the sub-atomic world. The behaviour of stuff in the everyday world of the human scale is defined by Newtonian mechanics, the quantum stuff is unseen.

Yes, but in principle quantum effects still exist even in the macroscopic realm, just that the effect is so insignificant that it is negligible. However as we go to higher and higher energy levels the effects become more meaningful.

 

[godnotgod]

We experience what we are conscious of. We are not conscious of the sub-atomic world.

You don't need to be aware of something in order to be experiencing it. We experience what we think is the material world, but the sub-atomic world is telling us that it is not material at all. That is why Quantum Mechanics has essentially overturned the applecart of Newtonian physics.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, but in principle quantum effects still exist even in the macroscopic realm, just that the effect is so insignificant that it is negligible. However as we go to higher and higher energy levels the effects become more meaningful.

In fact, the gross world we visibly experience could not exist were it not for the sub-atomic world.

 

[godnotgod]

No I asked if this Field is conscious or is consciousness?

It is Consciousness itself, as Hagelin explained, is Pure Abstract Intelligence.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Realization is not belief or opinion.

You clearly don't understand the difference. Perhaps you have repeating the same beliefs for so long that you have begun to believe them.

In any case, you might learn more if you stopped preaching and started listening. That is one of the things I have learned from leading a Buddhist group, it is good to put your ego on the back burner and be receptive to other points of view.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes, but in principle quantum effects still exist even in the macroscopic realm, just that the effect is so insignificant that it is negligible. However as we go to higher and higher energy levels the effects become more meaningful.

Perhaps, but at our human scale it is Newtonian mechanics which dominate what we experience.

What is being claimed here is that consciousness is the basis of the cosmos, that is based on pseudo-science and speculation.