A Universe from Nothing?

[Ben Dhyan]

As posters have pointed out: this is going nowhere.
I regret engaging with someone with clear delusions of supreme knowledge of the universe.
Regardless of what I or anyone else in this thread says, it seems clear that your inflated egotistical perspective is blinding you and muting the overall discussion.
Keep on believing you know the answers to the Universe kiddo, I am merely one of the inferior legion obtuse kneeling before your majesty, or whatever.

Haha....for some one who's only contribution to this thread is to snipe at me for knowing something about which you admit you have no idea....your absence will hardly be missed...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Haha......

 

[Aquitaine]

Haha....for some one who's only contribution to this thread is to snipe at me for knowing something about which you admit you have no idea....your absence will hardly be missed...

Trust me, it was more about sniping at you for arrogantly claiming to posses supreme enlightened knowledge regarding the creation of the universe, which I (and any sane person) admit to not have. Given that you've done nothing but beat a dead horse with other posters in this thread, I doubt there is much more you can possibly contribute to this thread as I leave.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Trust me, it was more about sniping at you for arrogantly claiming to posses supreme enlightened knowledge regarding the creation of the universe, which I (and any sane person) admit to not have. Given that you've done nothing but beat a dead horse with other posters in this thread, I doubt there is much more you can possibly contribute to this thread as I leave.

You can't even get that right....I am never claimed the universe was created, you did...I explained the universe was not created....it is eternal... And please, no more encores......God's speed and my best wishes...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Science doesn't know. And neither do you.

But it is elementary logic....claiming no one knows if something can come from nothing is a false claim to protect the big bang hypothesis..... it is a logical impossibility to replicate scientifically....and even mathematically it does not make sense that zero and one are equal..

 

[Thief]

The context of Genesis to my understanding is not, and never was, about the beginning of the universe...but a brief illustrative narrative pertaining to the formation of this solar system and the birth of planet earth, and subsequently the planetary geological and evolutionary stages of mineral to plant, to animal, to the human kingdom, etc... Yes, creation is a divine work whether or not some just call it universal nature....a rose by any other name...

ok...the written version as scribed by someone not knowing how vast the heavens really are....
and stars were no more than candles held steadfast by the angelic....

but even so...even as we know have a much different picture ....
the words still fit as is....
In the beginning......

 

[Ben Dhyan]

ok...the written version as scribed by someone not knowing how vast the heavens really are....
and stars were no more than candles held steadfast by the angelic....

but even so...even as we know have a much different picture ....
the words still fit as is....
In the beginning......

"....and where were you at the dawn of creation,
when the morning stars sang together,
and the sons of God shouted for joy?....."

 

[Thief]

I was in the kitchen making breakfast

 

[Ben Dhyan]

..."And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died."

Well I know that the spirit that begot me was there*....and I'm not amazed here now..

* Dawn of creation....Job...

 

[gnostic]

As posters have pointed out: this is going nowhere.
I regret engaging with someone with clear delusions of supreme knowledge of the universe.
Regardless of what I or anyone else in this thread says, it seems clear that your inflated egotistical perspective is blinding you and muting the overall discussion.
Keep on believing you know the answers to the Universe kiddo, I am merely one of the inferior legion obtuse kneeling before your majesty, or whatever.

I think the greatest mistake for any one to make assumption what the Big Bang say, that it is "explosion" or that it is "everything is made from nothing".

Both claims are wrong.

And that's not the only problem. He is linking spirit to energies, a pseudoscience claim, that he has not be able to substantiate.

That the sort of lazy or ignorant scholarship that disturb me that they read something that they don't understand...or worse, don't want to understand.

No amount of education will enlighten them. And no amount of people correcting them will make them recognize their mistakes.

Then again...perhaps it is not so much errors than them trying to dishonestly spread misinformation. That could be another possibility, and that disturb me even worse than ignorance.

I am have to same sort of problem with ben_q in other threads as you do here -

• eternal universe?
  
• Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?
• Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I think the greatest mistake for any one to make assumption what the Big Bang say, that it is "explosion" or that it is "everything is made from nothing".

Both claims are wrong.

And that's not the only problem. He is linking spirit to energies, a pseudoscience claim, that he has not be able to substantiate.

That the sort of lazy or ignorant scholarship that disturb me that they read something that they don't understand...or worse, don't want to understand.

No amount of education will enlighten them. And no amount of people correcting them will make them recognize their mistakes.

Then again...perhaps it is not so much errors than them trying to dishonestly spread misinformation. That could be another possibility, and that disturb me even worse than ignorance.

I am have to same sort of problem with ben_q in other threads as you do here -

• eternal universe?
  
• Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?
• Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?

Let's cut to the chase...what existed at time = 0 when the singularity does not yet exist?

 

[Aquitaine]

I think the greatest mistake for any one to make assumption what the Big Bang say, that it is "explosion" or that it is "everything is made from nothing".

Both claims are wrong.

And that's not the only problem. He is linking spirit to energies, a pseudoscience claim, that he has not be able to substantiate.

That the sort of lazy or ignorant scholarship that disturb me that they read something that they don't understand...or worse, don't want to understand.

No amount of education will enlighten them. And no amount of people correcting them will make them recognize their mistakes.

Then again...perhaps it is not so much errors than them trying to dishonestly spread misinformation. That could be another possibility, and that disturb me even worse than ignorance.

I am have to same sort of problem with ben_q in other threads as you do here -

• eternal universe?
  
• Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?
• Can you give me an observable evidence that Evolution is true?

It's a lost cause in my opinion. What can you say to try and humble someone who believes they have tapped in to secret knowledge regarding the foundations of the universe? Humans can be *really* delusional at times.

 

[Thief]

To exist.....it is energy ...or it is substance.
if neither......it is nothing

Spirit first.

 

[gnostic]

Let's cut to the chase...what existed at time = 0 when the singularity does not yet exist?

You are not making sense...

The singularity is supposed to be pre-t=0 second. And t=0, is supposed to be the start of the expansion of the universe.

As I have told you repeatedly the Big Bang CAN ONLY SPECULATE the epochs (eg the Planck epoch, Great Unification epoch, Inflationary epoch) of the 1st second, AND THAT's INCLUDING t=0 second.

Planck epoch: from t = 0 second to 10^-43 second
Great Unification epoch: from t = 10^-42 to 10^-36 second
Inflationary epoch: from t = 10^-36 to 10^-32 second​

The singularity is before the Planck epoch of the Big Bang, and what scientists say about the Planck epoch is speculative and unconfirmed. If they knew what really happened in the Planck epoch, they may or may not be able to say more about the singularity. But at this stage, the nature of the singularity is speculative.

The singularity is the "universe", in universe more primordial stage, before ordinary matters were formed, but what is the singularity is still pretty much up for debate, and speculative. All they can say is that the singularity is hot and dense than after the expansion began at t = 0 second.

 

[gnostic]

It's a lost cause in my opinion. What can you say to try and humble someone who believes they have tapped in to secret knowledge regarding the foundations of the universe? Humans can be *really* delusional at times.

I am almost to the point of putting him in the ignore list. There is only one person in that list (it happened last year) in the whole time I was here, which is now 10 years.

 

[Thief]

I speculate ....the Spirit is the initiative for all movement.

 

[gnostic]

I speculate ....the Spirit is the initiative for all movement.

What???

You are "speculating"?

I didn't think you have it in you to admit that you do "speculate".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's a lost cause in my opinion. What can you say to try and humble someone who believes they have tapped in to secret knowledge regarding the foundations of the universe? Humans can be *really* delusional at times.

Ad homs apparently are your standard method of debate..... What happens at time = 0 just prior to the appearance of the singularity?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are not making sense...

The singularity is supposed to be pre-t=0 second.
.

But Time = 0 equates with the beginning of time....now you are saying there is pre time, ie...time before the beginning of time at time = 0?

 

[`mud]

Before the t=0 inflation of all plasmotic forms,
before the existance of any form of godly being,
the theory seems to say that the big "S" is still.
No movement, directions, friction, or inertia.
What caused the "heat";
said Gnosis:,
"All they can say is that the singularity is hot and dense...."
With the absense of movement, distance, or friction,
from where did the heat come ? Where was the heat held.
~
Forgive me, absense of whole thought here,
as with a lot of people in these threads.
~
No void, no nothingness, no time "0".
Evolution causing further evolution.
And a few planets contained life.
~
Evolution will eventually stop,
as will our existance.
~
'mud