"So long, robot pals – and robot overlords. Sentient machines may never exist, according to a variation on a leading mathematical model of how our brains create consciousness." https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25560-sentient-robots-not-possible-if-you-do-the-maths/
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A Universe from Nothing?
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
To be fair, we shouldn't expect a lot in the emptiness doctrine being constantly bleated about here. It's not like there is much to it.
Emptiness means that all is relative, dependent and conditional, including consciousness. So it is simply not compatible with new-age nonsense like "Cosmic Consciousness".
It is just one more example of trying to bang square pegs into round holes, and creating an awful mess. The continual misrepresentation of science and authentic teachings that we see here is really very dishonest.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I don't think my settee disappears back into the quantum foam when I happen not be looking at it.
I don't know, the lights were off, then someone said "let there be light", and what do you know, there was light...
godnotgod
Thou art That
That's the trouble with 'I'. It's cocksure about itself and what it thinks it knows. It converts belief into certainty as a matter of relieving itself of anxiety over it's fate. The ego does not want to die. It wants to go on in perpetuity so it can be stroked for eternity. It's called ego gratification, and 'I' cannot live without it. So it invents a God and a system of reward and punishment called heaven and a hell. It, of course, is deserving of heaven, while those lesser than it deserve hell. That is how it plays the game of one-upmanship and superiority over others.
That last breath is not of "I", but is that of the living, conscious Universe.
godnotgod
Thou art That
You're making things up again as a means of creating a strawman. No one said anything about Cosmic Consciousness in relation to Emptiness in this discussion. The reference to Emptiness in this discussion was simply to differentiate between perceptual reality and fundamental reality.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
According to Sunyata, we are empty of self-nature, so there is no 'I' that experiences the pain. There is only the pain itself, and that experience is the experience of the Universe.
godnotgod
Thou art That
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, is there a sound?
No, there is not.
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/jun/featuniverse
The vibrations that travel through the air are still there and the definition of sound is "something that you can hear or that can be heard"
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sound
so of course there is a sound.
That's why I heard the whole universe cry "OW" when I hit my head the other day.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, there is no sound. There are pressure waves, but no sound. For sound to occur, there must be a source of the event, the resulting pressure waves, a medium for waves to travel through, and a receiver to register them as 'sound'. That means ears and a brain, or an extension of perception, such as a microphone and recording device.
Because there was no atmosphere or receiver, or even space-time, there was no 'bang' to the 'Big Bang'.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Right. You are none other than The Universe itself, pretending to be 'lil 'ol Artie, a complete fraud (as anyone living in Identification is).
'You' are a total action of The Universe, just as a wave is a total action of the ocean.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
'you' seem to be very cocksure
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
like the other guy said.....the vibrations are there
'you' would hear them if 'you' were close enough
godnotgod
Thou art That
Of course you would, but the riddle states that no one is there to hear it. The vibrations are there, and not only is there no sound, but there is no feeling of the vibrations.
godnotgod
Thou art That
There is a difference between certainty and being cocksure. Besides, you are talking about a future scenario you only believe to be true, and gambling on it, while I am talking about the ego and how it works, something everyone experiences directly in the here and now, and not in some future fantasy based on the ego, which is an illusion to begin with!
Who is it that lives?
Who is it that dies?
You are not 'living life'; life is living itself as 'you'. There is no experiencer of the experience; there is only the experience itself, and what is thought of as 'I' is none other than that experience.
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Again you are wrong. The definition of sound is "a periodic disturbance in the pressure or density of a fluid or in the elastic strain of a solid, produced by a vibrating object." See Collins English Dictionary online. No receiver is necessary. Why don't you check your facts first before posting?
godnotgod
Thou art That
This is an abstract description of the MECHANICS of sound, not sound itself. Sound is an AUDITORY experience. If there is no receiver, there is no auditory experience. There is only 'a periodic disturbance....blah blah blah' which says absolutely nothing.
Why don't you check your definitions before posting?
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?