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A Universe from Nothing?

godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
james dixon

james dixon

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Premium Member
A Vestigial Mote said:
My personal belief is that the universe had no beginning. Everything that is always has been. It is "recycled", after a fashion, over periods of billions, possibly trillions of years, in a grand cycle of contraction and explosion/expansion. The basis of my belief (and I admit that it IS only a belief) is the overwhelming proliferation of cyclical activity of the universe. Any planet orbiting a star - on a track toward consumption by that star, but until then ringing that star in millions upon billions of cycles. Entire galaxies rushing toward one another due to gravity's pull - eventually colliding and each individual member affecting others and creating new orbits, new cycles. The substance of any given large, planetary object continually shifting and moving - almost like water, but much, much slower. It's contents being sucked toward the center and spewed out to the surface again until the object is a near perfect sphere when seen from a distance. Even spinning - by it's definition a cycle - and one of the most prolific natural occurrences in ALL matter in the entire universe. The cycle of radioactive energies breaking down, but never truly being lost - awaiting a time when they are energized once more and made new in the culmination of the intergalactic, near-universal recycle.

I feel all of the interactions we have observed throughout the universe point to my belief. Even the idea of a "big bang" - matter being sent forth from a central "explosion" of sorts - the recycling event - even as other matter never quite made it there in time for the party. Which explains any bodies whose movement and trajectory doesn't necessarily conform to the "big bang" - because it wasn't the first, nor will it be the last.
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nice thoughts.,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,
Keep on feeling it cause it is real
:)-
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Rowan said:
I don't think anyone has made the claim the world came from nothing.
Even if they did, the claim is equally founded and believable then saying that a god created our universe.

Religious people always criticize athiestic creation theories claiming "they don't make sense".

They don't seem to grasp that theological creation also makes no sense. The entire area doesn't make sense.
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In either case, the central idea is that there was a "something" was "created". Hindus have told us for over 4000 years that this 'something' we call The Universe, is an illusion. Now Quantum Physics is pointing to a world that is not a material world at all, but a world of 'possibility'; a world that is a virtual reality, since all of the mass of the atom is now understood to be virtual in nature, as it is nothing more than the result of energy fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Shad said:
There is such an invention.

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/earlywarning/
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The animals detection system seems to be well ahead of the seconds to minutes human physical equipment detection system. The animals seem to have an extra sense we can't understand from our physical only perspective. They seem to anticipate the danger and react well in advance of physical detection systems.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
George-ananda said:
The animals detection system seems to be well ahead of the seconds to minutes human physical equipment detection system. The animals seem to have an extra sense we can't understand from our physical only perspective. They seem to anticipate the danger and react well in advance of physical detection systems.
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Empty claim. Do you have a comparison to see if animals detect these events faster than the device I linked? I bet you do not thus you are making an assertion, nothing more.
 
james dixon

james dixon

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godnotgod said:
In either case, the central idea is that there was a "something" was "created"..,.,..,.,
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Ok, the secret is out.
The secret is in our genome
we did not just fall out of the sky
we are the product of our ancestors spring

"We"

being the living things on this planet





:)-
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
'mud said:
Not too poetic is it ?
My was much better.
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Somehow.....I still question about the daisies turning back to the East over night !
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Do they possess cognition of the revolving,
are they really self aware......nah...,
do they turn over or turn around,
we need some rhymes here,
or a break !
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'mud
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What is needed is a merging of the scientific view with that of the mystic into a singular Reality, thereby transforming our consciousness in such a way that the world we see via clinical Reason and Science is an intelligent and alive world.
 
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ArtieE

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godnotgod said:
Hindus have told us for over 4000 years that this 'something' we call The Universe, is an illusion.
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But godnotgod, my laptop isn't an illusion. It's made up of atoms. Why would knowing what atoms are made up of make the laptop an illusion?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Shad said:
Assertion nothing more as you use the word secret as in purposely hidden rather than undiscovered.
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It is purposely hidden by you. You will only awaken when you are ready. You actually know what is before the genome, but you choose to focus on the genome, rather than the background for the genome.

A fish born into the sea does not know it is in the sea, as it's focus is on the foreground, which are food and predators.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
ArtieE said:
But godnotgod, my laptop isn't an illusion. It's made up of atoms. Why would knowing what atoms are made up of make the laptop an illusion?
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You 'know' your laptop via perceptual reality, ie; via touch and sight, and not via what it ultimately is.

The 'atoms' are not 'made up' of anything as they are an illusion. They only SEEM to be real, just as the dream you are in only SEEMS to be real. You will only realize that upon awakening.

Your laptop is what Quantum Physics would call a 'superposition of possibility'.
 
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ArtieE

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godnotgod said:
Yes, but all of this time, it is social indoctrination that is kicking in to provide the sense of 'I', not brain complexity. One only develops a sense of 'I' in relation to others, and the environment.
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Our brain produces the sense of "I" when it has evolved and gotten complex enough to do so.
 
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ArtieE

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ArtieE

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godnotgod said:
You 'know' your laptop via perceptual reality, ie; via touch and sight, and not via what it ultimately is.
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The laptop would still exist and be a laptop even if everybody who could touch and see it disappeared. Whether the laptop is real or not has nothing to do with somebody touching or seeing it.
 
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