Life is a physical process. Science shows that. No atom in your body is alive, yet the combination of those atoms *is*. So, yes, life is produced by stuff that is not alive.
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A Universe from Nothing?
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Life is a physical process. Science shows that. No atom in your body is alive, yet the combination of those atoms *is*. So, yes, life is produced by stuff that is not alive.
And yet what we measure does exist independently of us.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Yes, chemical reactions *do* define life. Go study biochemistry if you doubt that.
And yes, volition is a neural reaction, and hence, ultimately, a collection of chemical reactions.
Yes, motion, hence space and time are real.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Neither is space, yet they both exist. You are getting caught up in your philosophical position rather than looking at reality.
Then you know that all the processes of life are, ultimately, chemical in nature.
Wow, so you manage a 110 IQ. Big whoop.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
substance is real.....and space is real
fine
movement can be measured
yes it can
the increments are noted on the chalkboard
Thief
Rogue Theologian
a gov test went through my school when I was soooooo much younger
a survey with strict oversee
my return on science was a rank of 'superior'
I've gotten a lot better since then
Thief
Rogue Theologian
nay
the development of spirit is independent
we might well share the same environment
but obviously....some do not develop as much as others
There is no nothing.
That's why we call it nothing.
I understand what you mean by void, but when you give it the ability to be formed into something, to be a beginning, you've made it into something.
If it's something, it's not nothing.
@Thief, the void is happening all around us, in each moment of conscious awareness. The void is here, now, not billions of years ago--it is what we are left with when, as a mental exercise, we subtract (eliminate) everything in the sphere of awareness and, by extension, everything that we could possibly be aware of (the whole world). It is Kant's "noumenon" and Spinoza's "external world," and what I think of primarily when I hear or read of Buddhism's "emptiness." And "void," too, is a metaphor, a placeholder for what is beyond our ability to know. The presence of the void isn't a non-existence before time, it's an epistemological myth. A myth is a narrative that explains, satisfies, and ultimately comforts the psyche regarding the world, especially regarding those things that are terrifying. Its use is in how it relates the person to the big picture. Everything in philosophy (and that includes science, religion, and politics) stems from one basic need: to satisfy and comfort ourselves regarding the ultimate in terrifying things, the non-existence that we call death. To that end, we create narratives. We tell ourselves, in a myriad of ways, that everything is alright: that an ordered and structured organization of society will provide for us; that the world is understandable, knowable, and solvable; that consciousness is not the end; that in eliminating the divide between conscious awareness and what lies beyond, a conscious mind is freed to be the world; and that salvation from death rests with the attainment of god/afterlife. These myths are a part of us, and pushing that void back to the start of time rather than the start of now (which is where it belongs) is unnecessary.
And yet, like all of us, you are ignorant in the face of the universe.
Show me this 'spirit' that you talk so much about. I know nothing of its existence. What I *do* know is the existence of matter, space, and time.
Life is a chemical process. A very complex chemical process, yes. But a chemical process nonetheless. The term 'spirit' is used to describe the mind and emotions, but those are processes in the brain and are ultimately chemical/physical in nature.
Ben Dhyan
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How can existence be finite into the future in which case you say there will not be a transitional ending of existence into "nothing"? If there is time - space and then there is no time - space, this is an ending, no?
No. There is no 'then there is no time-space'. Without time, there is no 'then'. At any point where there is time, there is also space and matter/energy. There is no transition because there is nothing to transition to.