godnotgod
Thou art That
"Approximations of reality" are not reality. You are confusing the model with reality. Easy to do, a common mistake, but a serious one, really. Quite simple, really. Can we move on?
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A Universe from Nothing?
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"Approximations of reality" are not reality. You are confusing the model with reality. Easy to do, a common mistake, but a serious one, really. Quite simple, really. Can we move on?
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
See ya. Sorry to be a stroppy twat. I am incensed.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
BS. Descriptions of reality are not reality! Ultimately, the true nature of reality cannot be defined, but only directly experienced, without conceptual overlays in the way to confuse the mind, as yours is.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
Man, you've swallowed something hook, line and sinker!
Maybe YOU live in Time because you still exist in Identification, which you really believe is real. To believe that Identification is reality is to be deluded.
Once again: Einstein's Theory of Relativity offers up what is called the Concept of SpaceTime. It's a mathematical model superimposed over reality in an attempt to explain how things work. But how things work is not the reality itself. Concepts about reality are still just ideas nibbling around the edges of reality.
The 'moment of the BB' is Timeless and Spaceless over which the CONCEPT of SpaceTime is superimposed. The BB did not occur in some distant past, but in the here and now, where there is no Time or Space. What kind of state is that? Consciousness! The BB was an event in Consciousness, where no space or time (and therefore, no causation) is evident.
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Ben Dhyan
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You do not understand yet the nuance, time measurements are time measurements, whether it be the time measure of entropy, a day, a year, radioactive decay, the frequency of em radiation, etc., etc.. But what is this time entity on the other side of measurement by clocks or timers you believe is an actual real entity. Describe this entity called time without involving measurement.
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Ffs.
Time is one of the four dimensions that make up the fabric of reality we all exist in as entities of mass and energy. Be we stars or people or whatever. It is an intangible fundamental aspect of reality. It is real, it is relative, if time was simply an abstract invention, then there would be universal time as we thought pre General Relativity and Einstein's derived equations, there would be no Lorentz contraction, no time dilation...no black holes etc. Essentially it all boils down to the fact that the speed of light, distance over time, has to be a constant 299,000 or so m/s. Your physical presence distorts spacetime itself. We can observe and measure that distortion.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
".....consider the mysterious phenomena of quantum nonlocality — what Einstein called “spooky action at a distance.” Two or more particles can act in a coordinated way, no matter how far apart they may be, and they do so without sending out a sound wave, beaming a radio signal or otherwise communicating across the gap that separates them. The particles behave as though they are not, in fact, separated. And one possible explanation is that the particles are rooted in the deeper level of reality where distance has no meaning."
Why Space and Time Might Be an Illusion | HuffPost
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
You made no attempt to answer my question.."Describe this entity called time without involving measurement."...
godnotgod
Thou art That
You know, when you are in a dream, on that level of reality, everything is real to you, but the illusory nature of the dream becomes readily apparent upon your awakening.
You are aware, yes, that all particles in the Universe are actually standing waves, only appearing as 'particles'?
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Jesus Christ. I give up.You made no attempt to answer my question.."Describe this entity called time without involving measurement."...
godnotgod
Thou art That
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I'm with you bro....
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
I'm with you bro....
godnotgod
Thou art That
In his TED Talk, Nassim Haramain suggests that, because the atom is over 99% empty space, perhaps it is this empty space that must be the important factor for the existence of the remainder. IOW, 'Everything comes out of Nothing'. How could it be otherwise? How can an infinite Universe emerge from a finite 'something'? And if The Universe is Everything that exists, then it is not just an absolute, but The Absolute, because there is no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. Therefore, as the great mystic Vivekenanda tells us:
"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Sure it doesn't.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
is that agreement?.....or are you fishing for more?
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
I doubt anything you are going to say is likely to be relevant and no, agreement with you there is not possible.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
here is more
time is a measure.....of movement
It is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man
it is not a force
it is not substance
it is a quotient on a chalkboard
it will never be more than that