A Universe from Nothing?

[godnotgod]

I do not know the original language, but I am sure the translator's use of 'nothing' in the context of this material does not mean a vacuum, but rather 'that' which is beyond duality, empty of all concepts... Call it what you will....Tao, Nirvana, God, Brahman, etc., Allah.......IT is the ineffable

No, I agree. I don't think the essay says anything about a vacuum either, but then again, didn't you say it has been decided scientifically that space is not a vacuum after all?

What the essay DID say was that:

Nirvana is the unmanifest source [of everything], yet is not a substance at all – it is only Nothing.

IOW,
"Everything comes out of Nothing"

 

[godnotgod]

Woolly syncretic nonsense, people are not looking at the same moon at all, they might as well be on different planets, contradictory beliefs and assumptions. Stop trying to bang square pegs into round holes, you just make a mess which satisfies nobody.

You are still the proverbial bull in the china shop.

Pay attention!

I said the 'immediate' view is the same, until their particular views kick in. This immediate view is so short-lived, that it is hardly noticed, but yes, they all see the same moon initially, because what they see is in place prior to what they think they see. Understand?

 

[godnotgod]

Exactly so, all is empty from the begining, all is sunyata. Such teachings are completely incompatible with your new-age God "cosmic consciousness".

How is it that you know that 'all is Sunyata'?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That is exactly the problem, you are a jack of all trades and master of none.

You project this air of superiority with your shallow universalism, but it is all based on guesswork, wishful thinking, misrepresentation and misunderstanding.

Hmmmm....angry soul alert....very un-zen like...try this brief silent mind meditation practice...to reduce your stress...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, I agree. I don't think the essay says anything about a vacuum either, but then again, didn't you say it has been decided scientifically that space is not a vacuum after all?

What the essay DID say was that:

Nirvana is the unmanifest source [of everything], yet is not a substance at all – it is only Nothing.

IOW,
"Everything comes out of Nothing"

Ok..qualification, before zpe was discovered through the Casimir Effect....science generally considered a vacuum, space free of particles....now they know it is full of energy...and the very source of particles....so there is no vacuum in the sense of nothing....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

How is it that you know that 'all is Sunyata'?

"All is sunyata" is what Buddhism teaches, and from close observation of experience I think it is correct.

But of course you are not a Buddhist, you are a new-age theist, a pseudo-Hindu.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I said the 'immediate' view is the same, until their particular views kick in. This immediate view is so short-lived, that it is hardly noticed, but yes, they all see the same moon initially, because what they see is in place prior to what they think they see. Understand?

Some peoples' heads are so stuffed full of religious beliefs that they have no chance of glimpsing reality. Or perhaps they do and it scares the hell out of them.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

..try this brief silent mind meditation practice...to reduce your stress...

I do irritated with the sheer volume of BS in discussions like this. Including your passive-aggressive games.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I do irritated with the sheer volume of BS in discussions like this. Including your passive-aggressive games.

You do irritated good....but without intending to add to your stress...I feel I must point out that you are a prolific poster and thus must deal with many responses....until your normal repartee becomes degraded and ad hominem... Take it easy....and take a rest when the mind gets too wound up...

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Nothing we see or hear is perfect, and yet there, in the midst of all of the imperfection, lies Perfect Reality!"
Shunryu Suzuki

LOOK! THE MOON!

(Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Muslim all immediately turn to see the same moon, and then immediately return to their respective views)

Only works when the moon is out.

 

[Thief]

The problem isn't with the maths which you can doubt all you want. The problem is having to adjust clocks and gps in relation to mass or speed variation.

Your head Is older than your feet.

adjusting the measuring device is precisely the point

the universe doesn't need adjustment
but if you want to keep track of the movement.....your measuring devices will need it

 

[Thief]

and so I reiterate....

Someone had to be First in mind and heart

there was no one there to form the soul of God ......for God

and with that....Spirit First
substance came later

 

[godnotgod]

Some peoples' heads are so stuffed full of religious beliefs that they have no chance of glimpsing reality. Or perhaps they do and it scares the hell out of them.

But then, through it all, there is 'Namaste, ever-conscious Self'

 

[godnotgod]

and so I reiterate....


and with that....Spirit First
substance came later

Thief, you will forever be a slave of duality and Time.

 

[godnotgod]

Ok..qualification, before zpe was discovered through the Casimir Effect....science generally considered a vacuum, space free of particles....now they know it is full of energy...and the very source of particles....so there is no vacuum in the sense of nothing....

We usually think of a vacuum as something that sucks. I am not referring to any vacuum or space as Nothing. When I say Nothing, I mean no vacuum, no space, no particles, and as the Buddha put it, 'the negation of negation'. And I do not mean a mental concept of Nothing either. I mean Nothing. But this Nothing is Consciousness, out of which Everything comes because it contains all potential. I am also saying that the Big Bang was an event in Consciousness, not in Space or Time.

Since the mass of the atom is not real mass, all 'material' reality is illusion. So there is no problem in saying that Everything comes from Nothing, since 'Everything' is maya. There is nothing real that needs to be accounted for in this view, other than the Source itself.

William Lane Craig? Really?

 

[ArtieE]

If you insist, but I am calling Pure Consciousness

Are you saying that a combination of all those fields creates a conscious entity?

 

[godnotgod]

"All is sunyata" is what Buddhism teaches, and from close observation of experience I think it is correct.

But of course you are not a Buddhist, you are a new-age theist, a pseudo-Hindu.

Again, you do not pay attention to the content.

You are fixated on who you think I am, and it is clouding your vision.

To say that 'all is Sunyata' is what Buddhism teaches does not answer the question:

"How is it that YOU know that 'all is Sunyata'? "

 

[godnotgod]

Are you saying that a combination of all those fields creates a conscious entity?

Pure Consciousness creates all those fields as The Unified Field:

 

[Thief]

Thief, you will forever be a slave of duality and Time.

time does not exist
God and I are likely to be ......ok

 

[godnotgod]

gNg has been claiming that interminably.

Yup. Nothing is never not present. If it were, there could not be Something.