godnotgod
Thou art That
If time does not exist, then cease referring to 'substance first....'
'God and I' are a duality. See them as one.
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A Universe from Nothing?
- Thread starter Tomorrows_Child
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If time does not exist, then cease referring to 'substance first....'
'God and I' are a duality. See them as one.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You won't even know you asked this question someday. "0)
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
One of those extremely rare moment where we are in full agreement. DoubleWilliam Lane Craig? Really?
Then a few seconds later you go an spoil the moment with....
I will grant you that Dr. Hagelin is far more interesting though, but has no real support for his thinking within the scientific community itself, hence he is at Maharishi University. A wonderful scientist who wafted over to WahooLand. (Remember, I should be all goo-goo eyed listening to him having been a practitioner of T.M. for approx. 40 years and have no plans to give it up.)
Here in LotusLand, his beloved "Natural Law Party" actually participated in 3 federal elections...
1993 - 231 candidates - 0 # won - 85,450 # of total votes - 0.63% % of popular vote
1997 - 136 candidates - 0 # won - 37,085 # of total votes - 0.29% % of popular vote
2000 - 69 candidates - 0 # won - 16,573 # of total votes - 0.13% % of popular vote
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They didn't even bother running candidates in our last two elections they did so dismally. Guess Canadians weren't too impressed with their wacky ideas.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
I never say substance first.....
did I commit a typo?
Spirit first.....always
and that Spirit can pronounce.....I AM!
when I do so.....it's not the same thing
Of course the universe doesn't need adjusting. That's not the same as trying to track time as it slows down and objects age more slowly. The universe is causing that in reality not just in a math formula.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
One of the weird things about time is that so many folks do not understand a great deal about time. If only they took the time to try to understand how it works. Granted the relativistic view of time is a bit confusing, but it tales a relatively short time to understand the relative nature of time.
Definitely, it can be a bit confusing but not that hard to grasp. I don't think some even want to hear it when I show references only to get replies like "math isn't reality". That is more confusing to me than relativistic time lol.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I just told you. From close observation over a long period of time. It is not a belief, it is something I have extensively investigated.
Do you disagree with the Buddhist teaching that all is sunyata, and if so, why exactly?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Lordy, yet another bit of ill-defined jargon. What exactly is "ever-conscious Self". Is it like an Atman? Is it the same as "cosmic consciousness"?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It's a redundant expression, really. Consciousness, by definition, is always self-aware, even at the microscopic level of the human animal.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The capital "S" in "ever-conscious Self" seems to imply a sort of new-age Atman, but who knows? Random emission of jargon!
godnotgod
Thou art That
You're not understanding the nature of my question:
Via what kind of awareness are you determining that 'all is Sunyata'?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Prajna. Haven't you read the Heart Sutra?
I don't know what prajna corresponds to in your new-age system.
Talking of which, I am still waiting for succinct plain-English jargon-free definitions for:
"ever-present Self"
"universal consciousness"
"cosmic consciousness"
( there are others, but those 3 would be a good start - a couple of sentences on each one should do it, you use them regularly so this should be easy for you to do )
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godnotgod
Thou art That
That makes sense, as the focus of most physicists is only on what is scientifically testable. I am sure there are others, but the only other physicists who I know of who would most likely support Hagelin would be Amit Goswami. Actually, I can add another: Dr. Freeman Dyson, and there are others. New ideas always run into controversy, and so it is with Hagelin's. But a conscious universe is not a new idea; it is as old as the hills. Hagelin happens to be drawing on the Vedic tradition to support his views.
godnotgod
Thou art That
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Namaste is the divine nature within each of us, but many are not aware of it, even though it is always aware, always present.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Weird thing, this question of whether there is an "universe from nothing".
Are we so vain as to presume that the universe we exist in has to have had an origin?
Are we so vain as to presume that the universe we exist in has to have had an origin?