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A Universe from Nothing?

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ArtieE

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Rick O'Shez said:
I disagree. We can only know our own "reality", based on the experience of a limited set of phenomena. We can never know the "reality" of animals which sense things in different ways, we can never know the "reality" of space aliens, and so on.
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They all live in the same reality we do they just perceive it differently.
You talk about "reality" but you have no idea what it really is, because you can only experience a small part of it
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Never said I know what all of reality really is. Strawman.
If we define "reality" as everything that exists, then much of reality is unknown and unknowable.
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Maybe. So?
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Rick O'Shez said:
That will never happen.
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Agreed. Even allowing for the foible of ever-expanding consciousness, reality itself is also ever-expanding and the vast majority of reality remains unknown and outside our ability to discern. In theory, that should help us to keep our hat size down as we understand that we can never approach knowing enough to generate absolute statements about the nature of reality.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
james bond said:
Thoughts, imagination and emotions are very real. We do not just have the hard sciences. They may remain just that but it could lead to the material which is what of utmost importance to you.
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Go back and read my earlier posts where I said that concepts are real in so far as they are mental constructs representing something, but they are not the real in the sense that the object or some such they symbolize is real. If for example I am talking about the Sun, you conceptualize a ball of fire in the sky or some such, but the real 'sun' remains forever on the other side of thoughts of it...
 
james bond

james bond

Well-Known Member
ben d said:
Go back and read my earlier posts where I said that concepts are real in so far as they are mental constructs representing something, but they are not the real in the sense that the object or some such they symbolize is real. If for example I am talking about the Sun, you conceptualize a ball of fire in the sky or some such, but the real 'sun' remains forever on the other side of thoughts of it...
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It seems like we're discussing semantics which is a waste of time. There are different constructs of "sun." It could be the word sun or what you stated. Or refer to our sun. Do we have a name for our sun? Or it could mean heat or light.

All of which isn't that interesting so I'll move on unless you have a point in relation to this thread.
 
james bond

james bond

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The truth is the universe did not come from nothing. Tiny, invisible particles of quantum mechanics. How do I know? It takes tremendous energy to produce the energy for a "big bang." Where did the energy come from? It would have had to exist to begin with. It would have to be outside our current system. Instead, we get it started with a point of infinite density and temperature known as singularity from the evolution scientists. That's poppycock. If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, then it would have run out of energy by now. The other poppycock is the unbounded universe or the universe continues to expand which is an assumption of the expanding universe and evolutionists. Our universe has a boundary or an edge and thus a center. Here is one paper describing it -- https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0508367v4.pdf .
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
james bond said:
The truth is the universe did not come from nothing. Tiny, invisible particles of quantum mechanics. How do I know? It takes tremendous energy to produce the energy for a "big bang." Where did the energy come from? It would have had to exist to begin with. It would have to be outside our current system.
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I'm in agreement up to that very last part, we still don't know that. Far as we know the system could have simply morphed.
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
james bond said:
The truth is the universe did not come from nothing. Tiny, invisible particles of quantum mechanics. How do I know? It takes tremendous energy to produce the energy for a "big bang." Where did the energy come from? It would have had to exist to begin with. It would have to be outside our current system. Instead, we get it started with a point of infinite density and temperature known as singularity from the evolution scientists. That's poppycock. If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, then it would have run out of energy by now.
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Energy can't be created or destroyed. The total energy of the universe is zero. http://www.livescience.com/33129-total-energy-universe-zero.html
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
ArtieE said:
Energy can't be created or destroyed. The total energy of the universe is zero. http://www.livescience.com/33129-total-energy-universe-zero.html
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Does it make sense? Maybe .. maybe not

james bond said:
The truth is the universe did not come from nothing. Tiny, invisible particles of quantum mechanics. How do I know? It takes tremendous energy to produce the energy for a "big bang." Where did the energy come from? It would have had to exist to begin with..
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This is pure speculation. Energy is a physical phenomenon. Almighty God is infinite while the universe is not!
The reality that we perceive ie. the universe, was created by God
The fact that we perceive that energy can neither be created or destroyed is therefore only relevant in this universe
 
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McBell

McBell

Unbound
muhammad_isa said:
Makes sense..



This is pure speculation. Energy is a physical phenomenon. Almighty God is infinite while the universe is not!
The reality that we perceive ie. the universe, was created by God
The fact that we perceive that energy can neither be created or destroyed is therefore only relevant in this universe
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How is this not merely making an exception for god?
 
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