Abortion

[Pawpatrol]

Women are people. This is understood, is it not?

Pregnant women usually don't like to be called pregnant people. It sounds ridiculous

 

[Pawpatrol]

How do you know that or it is just your opinion?

I have morals.

 

[Pawpatrol]

And what do you say about victims of incest?

I have a lot to say about that.

To make it short, if it was a rape they can have an abortion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have morals.

And I have different ones.

 

[Pawpatrol]

To be fair, the mother is the one who has to be pregnant and go through the terrifying and sometimes fatal birth process

Caring for the baby itself is usually much worse.

 

[Pawpatrol]

And I have different ones.

I believe in a universal sense of morality

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I believe in a universal sense of morality

I believe differently.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hmm.. wearing a necklace of genuine diamonds in a neighborhood that is known for muggings, robbery and other violence isn't a consent to being robbed. Certainly not, but is the person who does so acting intelligently?

At this point, it seems like you're just reflexively arguing without trying to make a coherent point of your own.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Pregnant women usually don't like to be called pregnant people. It sounds ridiculous

And how grateful they must feel to have you here to speak for them.

 

[Argentbear]

And still you run tail tucked from the meat of the posts you respond to...

The meat?

You seem to be upset because I ignored "the meat" of you asking "And why did you use "that" instead of "those" and "it" instead of "them"?"

So no, I did not ask the picture of the ursine embryo about it's pronoun preferences.

I guess that makes me a bad person.

 

[Argentbear]

I have morals.

It's moral to make broad unsupported assumptions about motivations and inner thoughts of an entire groups of people?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have morals.

If you do, you haven't shown it in this thread yet.

 

[Kathryn]

If it was a human it would have rights.

It has inheritance rights.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Touchy topic, I know.

I am making this thread because I would like pro-choicers to help me better understand the pro-choice position.

Progressive society says abortion is ok. I am against abortion. What I mean is I don't think it is a good thing. But I am open to understand why progressive society as well as many people in my life are okay with it. I struggle to fathom it.

@Quintessence said in another thread "forced birth is disgusting no matter how you slice it" and I guess that makes sense. The one thing I am SO GLAD I will never under any circumstances experience is birth. If I was female, I STILL wouldn't give birth. Screw that, I'm not getting torn apart. Birth is absolutely terrifying and the only reason it isn't relatively fatal is because modern technology.

Anyways, can you guys offer me your perspectives on what makes abortion acceptable?

My perspective is that I wouldn't strangle a baby, nor advocate for it. So why would I advocate for abortion?

But I realize now that there is much more nuance to it.

Yet I defy the assertion that it is not human life. If you are going to participate in a conversation on this thread here with me, justify the murder of the unborn human, but do not deny that it is an unborn human. I won't have it in this thread. Help me understand what makes it right to kill those yet born without dehumanizing the victims.

Spoiler: My abortion

I was married to a girl once. Pregnant we got. Schizophrenic I am. Unstable and unmedicated at the time I was. Wife didn't want "her kid coming out like me" (a valid fear of genetically passing on schizo) as well as she didn't want to be stuck with me in her life because of a kid. So she got rid of it despite all of my crying and pleading. Took me years to be even cordial with her again. But I support her decision now. She did what was best for her.

Most distraught I ever was. Years later I still mourn the death of my child. Yet people in my life don't understand. Coworkers congratulated me on the abortion. Therapist was baffled I was sad about it, as it was a "fetus". Friends told me I shouldn't feel bad for I never had a child.

How dare this society take away my right to mourn.

I have accepted that abortion is ok. Not because I think it is ok, but society has told me it is ok. And I am tired of hating society.

I just don't understand why. Why shouldn't I mourn the death of my child? And why is abortion ok?/SPOILER]

Okay, one thing to realize is that one never aborts a baby. That is illegal. Most of the time one aborts an embryo or a fetus. Most religions do not historically even think of it as having a soul yet. Some Christian faiths abuse the Bible and selectively retranslate parts of it improperly to support their opinion, but if one does not do that the Bible is clearly not anti-abortion.

Second, no one took away your right to mourn because your ex had an abortion. You can always mourn, but it is not healthy to mourn for anyone excessively. Mush less so for something that never became a person.


And here is something that the anti-abortion crowd does not understand and why bodily autonomy has to be recognized as a right. A society that tells you that you have to have a child can also tell you that you cannot have a child. It is an overstepping of government power either way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Caring for the baby itself is usually much worse.

Yes, caring for a baby is much worse than death

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It has inheritance rights.

That's not true in North America. Here, you can't leave your inheritance to a fetus.

The only country that came up in my (admittedly quick) Googling where you can make a fetus an heir or life insurance beneficiary is India... though I'm not even sure if that point is accurate. I am not a lawyer and I'm definitely not an Indian lawyer.

 

[Kathryn]

That's not true in North America. The only country that came up in my (admittedly quick) Googling where you can make a fetus an heir or life insurance beneficiary is India... though I'm not even sure if that point is accurate. I am not a lawyer and I'm definitely not an Indian lawyer.

Nope, I believe it is descriptive of the law in the US.

Also, I know someone who was given a different sentence for killing an unborn fetus or baby in a drunk driving incident.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nope, I believe it is descriptive of the law in the US.

You realize that you can use Google to see if your belief is correct, right?

 

[Kathryn]

You realize that you can use Google to see if your belief is correct, right?

Yes. Or Bing. How do you think I found the information? LOL

 

[We Never Know]

Pregnant women usually don't like to be called pregnant people. It sounds ridiculous

Being a transgender male can get pregnant, pregnant people sounds better than pregnant men.
Pregnant people also sounds better than birthing people or people with uteruses.

You gotta be politically correct ya know