Abrahamic religions can be hazardous to you health

[richardlowellt]

Parents for not teaching their children properly.

Correct you blame the influence, same for religion.

Thing is, it's NOT in the name of religion, even if they think it is; it's ONLY about power and control

No, it's about rigid dogmatic thinking, power and control are certainly present but its not ONLY about power and control



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Religion is about unity; that's the original definition of the word.

The definition I just found was---The belief and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God. Didn't see anything about unity being the prime definition. Also-----A particular system of faith and worship.

 

[Quagmire]

The definition I just found was---The belief and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God. Didn't see anything about unity being the prime definition. Also-----A particular system of faith and worship.

If you're really interested in discussing religion, you might want to consider reading something a bit more in depth than the dictionary.

 

[richardlowellt]

Stalin caused the death of countless innocents. Stalin was an atheist. Is atheism therefore to blame?

Once again beyond comment humanity, unbridled good is NOT expected from the non-religious, it is expected from religion and those of religion "Only good is suppose to come from religion"

I would also say that none of the members of Abrahamic religions on this forum are to blame for the atrocities that have been committed by members of their religion.

I'm sure their not, what's your point?

They do not deserve the insults and vicious comments you have thrown about

That a Catholic Bishop lied to the poor and uneducated, that by pointing this out I have insulted someone? That Mullahs caused the spread of polio to millions is a vicious comment? If you can prove me wrong in either of these instances you would be right, I would be viciously attacking and insulting those of these religions. I'm only pointing out that these things happened, and would never have happened on the scale that they did without religion.

 

[richardlowellt]

If you're really interested in discussing religion, you might want to consider reading something a bit more in depth than the dictionary.

Is this description inaccurate?

 

[Quagmire]

Is this description inaccurate?

It's incomplete.

 

[Riverwolf]

Anyone who knows the danger of smoking both to themselves and to others and still insists on smoking, are stupid, plain and simple.

No. They're unable to. They don't have the strength that you, my mom, and my dad do.

Stupid is having the knowledge, and CHOOSING not to use it, not being UNABLE to use it.

Your not BORN with that kind of strength, you acquire it, develop it, and use it when needed.

I'll just leave it at that, as that's a subject for a different debate which I don't have a firm stance on, yet. ^_^

The religious will certainly not agree with you.

Such as myself? I'm semi-Hindu, remember?

Your not a Catholic Bishop or a Mullah.

But I'm religious. Specifically an agnostic monistic polytheist.

I don't think I know what those instructions were, don't drink the few drop of medicine that will prevent polio, it will make you sterile. Don't use condoms they have microscopic holes in them that will spread the AIDS virus.

I think I can safely say that none of that is sanctioned in Scripture, and I would deny the spiritual authority of ANYONE who tried to teach me such nonsense.

Believe it or not, self-discipline is a major religious teaching, which is often ignored in this culture.

 

[Riverwolf]

Correct you blame the influence, same for religion.

Except religion isn't a living being to have blame.

The parents in this case are the leaders.

No, it's about rigid dogmatic thinking, power and control are certainly present but its not ONLY about power and control

You're talking about politics. Should that be abolished?

The definition I just found was---The belief and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God. Didn't see anything about unity being the prime definition. Also-----A particular system of faith and worship.

Unity is the definition of the word "religion" comes from. That is the definition I use. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

 

[Riverwolf]

Once again beyond comment humanity, unbridled good is NOT expected from the non-religious, it is expected from religion and those of religion "Only good is suppose to come from religion"

Says who?

 

[methylatedghosts]

Which would explain his religious blinding.

Wait a second...

Reading more on religious topics somehow makes you blind?

I'd love to hear your theory on how that is actually possible.

 

[richardlowellt]

Wait a second...

Reading more on religious topics somehow makes you blind?

Dogmatic religious beliefs make one blinded, as in those who can't accept evolution because it is in direct conflict with what religion teaches them.

 

[richardlowellt]

No. They're unable to. They don't have the strength that you, my mom, and my dad do.

I don't accept that, any addiction can be over come.

Stupid is having the knowledge, and CHOOSING not to use it, not being UNABLE to use it.

Smokers have the knowledge, everyone should know what it does to their body, they choose not to use that knowledge. Would you inject your loved ones with poison, thats what second hand smoke is, a poison, realizing this a person should go to any lengths to stop.

I think I can safely say that none of that is sanctioned in Scripture, and I would deny the spiritual authority of ANYONE who tried to teach me such nonsense.

Good for you.

Believe it or not, self-discipline is a major religious teaching, which is often ignored in this culture.

Were in the bible or the koran does it focus on self-discipline?

 

[richardlowellt]

Except religion isn't a living being to have blame.

But it's leaders are, and they are delivering a message straight from God, many of these religious leaders will tell you God has spoken to them and here is what he said to me.

The parents in this case are the leaders.

So are the religious leaders.

Unity is the definition of the word "religion" comes from. That is the definition I use. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Not a problem.

 

[richardlowellt]

Says who?

So I'm mistaken, only good is NOT suppose to come from religion? Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, God is love, God loves as cares for us all, only satan is responsible for evil, ect. ect. We should expect a certain amount of evil to come from religion? What percentage should we expect?

 

[Nothing]

As a professor you should be able to do the math yourself richard.

 

[Erebus]

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Once again beyond comment humanity, unbridled good is NOT expected from the non-religious, it is expected from religion and those of religion "Only good is suppose to come from religion"



2.I'm sure their not, what's your point?



3.That a Catholic Bishop lied to the poor and uneducated, that by pointing this out I have insulted someone? That Mullahs caused the spread of polio to millions is a vicious comment? If you can prove me wrong in either of these instances you would be right, I would be viciously attacking and insulting those of these religions. I'm only pointing out that these things happened, and would never have happened on the scale that they did without religion.

1. Nobody expects absolute good from anybody, that wasn't my point. The point is that you are blaming religion for the atrocities committed by certain people. By your logic, Atheism should be to blame for the actions of Stalin.

2. My point is that you are tarring a lot of people with the same brush, especially when you blame religion over all else for the actions of certain people.

3. Saying that these things happen is not an insult (a pointless exercise perhaps, but not an insult) however saying things like, "abrahamic religions poison everything, and should be eradicated like any other disease" is most definitely a vicious insult.

I don't know if these things would have happened without religion, or even if religion makes these things worse. But guess what, you don't know either. Religion has always been present in human civilisation and to theorise that these things just wouldn't be as bad without religion is a mere guess.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

Once again beyond comment humanity, unbridled good is NOT expected from the non-religious, it is expected from religion and those of religion "Only good is suppose to come from religion"

So I shouldn't expect you to do anything good because obviously you are non-religious?

That a Catholic Bishop lied to the poor and uneducated, that by pointing this out I have insulted someone? That Mullahs caused the spread of polio to millions is a vicious comment? If you can prove me wrong in either of these instances you would be right, I would be viciously attacking and insulting those of these religions. I'm only pointing out that these things happened, and would never have happened on the scale that they did without religion.

And yet you refuse to hold those responsible accountable. If anything you are supplying them with excuses to continue doing what they've done.

"it wasn't me it was my religion that made me do it. I'm completely innocent of any wrong doing."

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

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How is your wanting to blame religion for someones actions any different than religious people blaming the devil or god for wrong doings or tragedies in their life?

In the cases I submitted religion WAS to blame for the peoples actions, and is also the blame for the instances you pointed out here.

This does not answer my question so I will ask it again, how is your blaming religion for all the problems in the world any different from a religious person using the excuse the devil made me do it, (which seems to be your original beef with religion)?

People have been made accountable for their actions, the women who put her baby in the oven and turned it on 375 to rid the child of demons, as instructed by God, is serving a life sentence, and I'm not sure where the case stands of the Christian Science couple how watched their daughter die a slow death while praying rather than take her to the hospital.

Yes instead of helping people that probably have mental problems (which in your example here is more likely the case than not) your answer is to put them away for the rest of their lives and blame their religion for their actions. Yep out of sight out of mind is always a much easier answer to difficult problems.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

Originally Posted by Perfect Circle
And Hitler effected the "Final Solution" because he believed whole-heartedly in darwinism. Does that make evolution wrong? Or "bad for your health"?

So now we are allowed to cherry pick whether we blame an institution for all the wrongs done in the world or a person, depending on what influences that person has used such as Hitler using dawinism to influence millions of people doesn't make darwinism the bad guy. But someone using Christianity to influence millions of people means that Christianity is the bad guy here and not the person who is misrepresenting the religion.


Richard, do we hold you accountable for your ignorant intolerance or Atheism?

 

[richardlowellt]

1. Nobody expects absolute good from anybody, that wasn't my point. The point is that you are blaming religion for the atrocities committed by certain people. By your logic, Atheism should be to blame for the actions of Stalin.

Atheism is NOT a religion, so you blame the man, same with Hitler.

2. My point is that you are tarring a lot of people with the same brush, especially when you blame religion over all else for the actions of certain people.

Take the two instances I presented, if I both cases religion was not present neither would have happened.

3. Saying that these things happen is not an insult (a pointless exercise perhaps, but not an insult) however saying things like, "abrahamic religions poison everything, and should be eradicated like any other disease" is most definitely a vicious insult.

Sorry, it's what I believe. Why is religion such a "hands off" issue, look at what happened to Salman Rushdie, a death contract was put out on him for writing a work of fiction. Muslims worldwide ignited ugly demonstrations where crowd burned the book and screamed for the author to be burned as well, in fact a number of attempts were made to kill Rushdie by RELIGIOUS death squads, his Norwegian publisher was shot several times in the back with a high powered rifle but managed to survive. To make matters worse, the Vatican and the chief sepharic rabbi of Israel sided with the muslim community condemning the book as "blasphemy.

I don't know if these things would have happened without religion, or even if religion makes these things worse. But guess what, you don't know either.

Yes I do know and you should to.

Religion has always been present in human civilisation and to theorise that these things just wouldn't be as bad without religion is a mere guess.

No, I think not, religion throughout mans history has been the source of wars, misery and death, and a retardant to any medical and scientific progress. Religion is intolerant, allied to tribalism and bigotry, it's invested in ignorance and hostile to free thought, certainly contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.

 

[richardlowellt]

As a professor you should be able to do the math yourself richard.

Excellent dodge!!!