Abrahamic religions can be hazardous to you health

[Riverwolf]

I can only assume their just plain stupid.

Really? I know many intelligent people who smoke, know it's bad, but can't stop.

My mother managed to find the motivation to stop altogether: bearing me.

Because these people who continue to smoke have absolutely no will power, it's easier to give in to the grave rather than fight it, once again just plain stupidity.

...I said tobacco, not marijuana. Aren't you aware that nicotine is the most addictive drug in the world? Once you start, even people with very strong wills can't stop so easily.

And what products are you referring to that people will think will make them happy?

Nothing specific: any merchandise built in the factories.

Haven't you ever thought, "If only I had that, I would be happy."? Well, EVERYONE these days feels that way, including myself.

Welcome to consumer America.

Now this is just a plain stupid analogy, religious leaders claim to have a main pipeline to the divine, know what God is actually thinking and convey that to the people, tell them that an afterlife is waiting for them, an afterlife full of peace and contentment, there is no way you can compare a company selling a product, as addictive as it may be, to the promises of religious leaders.

Why? The promises are the same, and the goal by the leaders is the same. I'm not saying ANY old company: I'm talking about the corrupted ones.

They both desire Power. That is their end-all motivation for their lies and self-deception.

Power rules the world right now, and has for thousands of years. And unfortunately, most people are all too happy to follow.

 

[kiwimac]

The situation in Nigeria was not about religion but control. It was about WHO the people would listen to.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

There have been many instances were religion has put up barriers to obstruct medical advancements, In India, an attempt to stop the spread of polio was met with such a barrier. The people of Bengal spread the word to the farthest conners of their society, bring your children, no questions asked, and let them swallow two drops of fluid. In some outlying places Muslim die-hards were spreading the rumor that the droplets were a ploy by sinister Western medicine, you would be stricken by impotence and diarrhea.

In 2005 in Northern Nigeria a country that was polio free, a group of Islamic religious figures issued a ruling or fatwa that declared the polio vaccine to be a conspiracy by the United States and the United Nations against the Muslim faith. The drops were designed, said these mullahs, to sterilize the true believers. Their intentions and effect was genocide. Nobody was to swallow them or administer them to infants. Within months, polio was back and not just in Nigeria. Nigerians travelers and pilgrims has already taken it as far as Mecca and spread it back to several other polio-free countries.

Advice given by Cardinal Alfonso Lopez de Trujillo, the vatican's president of the Pontifical Council for the family, carefully warning his audience that all condoms are secretly made with many microscopic holes through which the AIDS virus can pass.

Timothy Dwight, a president of Yale University and to this day one of America's most respected "divines" was opposed to the smallpox vaccination because he regarded it as an interference with God's design.

Perhaps you should be blaming the people/men/religious leaders for these errors and not necessarily the religion that they abuse and manipulate in order to get the results they desire.

 

[Perfect Circle]

There have been many instances were religion has put up barriers to obstruct medical advancements, In India, an attempt to stop the spread of polio was met with such a barrier. The people of Bengal spread the word to the farthest conners of their society, bring your children, no questions asked, and let them swallow two drops of fluid. In some outlying places Muslim die-hards were spreading the rumor that the droplets were a ploy by sinister Western medicine, you would be stricken by impotence and diarrhea.

In 2005 in Northern Nigeria a country that was polio free, a group of Islamic religious figures issued a ruling or fatwa that declared the polio vaccine to be a conspiracy by the United States and the United Nations against the Muslim faith. The drops were designed, said these mullahs, to sterilize the true believers. Their intentions and effect was genocide. Nobody was to swallow them or administer them to infants. Within months, polio was back and not just in Nigeria. Nigerians travelers and pilgrims has already taken it as far as Mecca and spread it back to several other polio-free countries.

Advice given by Cardinal Alfonso Lopez de Trujillo, the vatican's president of the Pontifical Council for the family, carefully warning his audience that all condoms are secretly made with many microscopic holes through which the AIDS virus can pass.

Timothy Dwight, a president of Yale University and to this day one of America's most respected "divines" was opposed to the smallpox vaccination because he regarded it as an interference with God's design.

Sorry dude... but you're choosing anecdotal instances of men in power using religion to further their own ends.

Where have we seen that before...

Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Religion has no stranglehold on manipulating people through propaganda. Furthermore, religions (including abrahamic) help the world every day.

American Red Cross
Mother Teresa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
etc...

Seriously, how many times are we going to see this argument...

 

[richardlowellt]

Really? I know many intelligent people who smoke, know it's bad, but can't stop.

The I'm sorry but their just plain stupid, it possible for intelligent people you make stupid choices.

My mother managed to find the motivation to stop altogether: bearing me.

Good for her, whatever works.



...I said tobacco, not marijuana. Aren't you aware that nicotine is the most addictive drug in the world? Once you start, even people with very strong wills can't stop so easily.I am fully aware of the addictive nature of nicotine, I stared smoking early in life, grammar school, and continued into my adult life smoking three packs or more a day, when I had children and heard about the damages of second hand smoke, and came to fully realize the damage I was doing to my body I stopped "cold turkey" I made the decision that I was stronger than the addiction. I do know how hard it is to stop but only those with weak wills and lack of inner strength will fail to stop.



Nothing specific: any merchandise built in the factories.

Haven't you ever thought, "If only I had that, I would be happy."? Well, EVERYONE these days feels that way, including myself.

Of course I have but I applied restraint, self control, and will power to avoid such things. What, are we powerless over the temptation to buy stuff? I know I'm not powerless, I restrain myself, try it!!

Welcome to consumer America

Silly.

Why? The promises are the same

Oh really, so there is apparently no difference between an eternal afterlife, and a plasma tv, in your mind.?

They both desire Power. That is their end-all motivation for their lies and self-deception.

We are suppose to be in control of our lives, only the stupid fall prey to big corporation, the religious prey on the poor and uneducated, and even those educated often fall prey to direct instructions for an all mighty being.

 

[richardlowellt]

The situation in Nigeria was not about religion but control. It was about WHO the people would listen to.

Yes, they listen to their religious leaders (religion) who control them, they listen to God, so to speak.

 

[richardlowellt]

Perhaps you should be blaming the people/men/religious leaders for these errors and not necessarily the religion that they abuse and manipulate in order to get the results they desire.

These people speak FOR the religion, they do what they do in the NAME of religion, of course you blame the religion. Do you blame the misbehaving child, or the parents?

 

[richardlowellt]

Sorry dude... but you're choosing anecdotal instances of men in power using religion to further their own ends.

No your absolutely wrong here, the Mullahs in question didn't do what they did to further own ends but because they believe in superstitions, and a rigid dogmatic system of religion.

Where have we seen that before...

Very different circumstance, Stalin was not invoking the word of an imaginary being to keep his people inline, nor was Hitler, although Hitler did use the Catholic church to his advantage by having the church disclose all their records.

Religion has no stranglehold on manipulating people through propaganda.

From this comment I can see you don't get out much, and limit your reading.

Furthermore, religions (including abrahamic) help the world every day.

And so do non-religious people, are you saying that these people would not help the world everyday if they weren't religious?

Seriously, how many times are we going to see this argument...

As many times as it takes for people to realize the dangers of the Abrahamic religions.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

These people speak FOR the religion, they do what they do in the NAME of religion, of course you blame the religion. Do you blame the misbehaving child, or the parents?

So the religious leaders should not be held responsible for their actions?

How is your wanting to blame religion for someones actions any different than religious people blaming the devil or god for wrong doings or tragedies in their life?

Why not hold those responsible accountable instead of generalizing and saying the Devil made me do it?

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

These people speak FOR the religion, they do what they do in the NAME of religion, of course you blame the religion. Do you blame the misbehaving child, or the parents?

Yes they speak for the religion but they are not The Religion.

 

[Perfect Circle]

No your absolutely wrong here, the Mullahs in question didn't do what they did to further own ends but because they believe in superstitions, and a rigid dogmatic system of religion.

And Hitler effected the "Final Solution" because he believed whole-heartedly in darwinism. Does that make evolution wrong? Or "bad for your health"?

Very different circumstance, Stalin was not invoking the word of an imaginary being to keep his people inline, nor was Hitler, although Hitler did use the Catholic church to his advantage by having the church disclose all their records.

No, Stalin was invoking the word of a flawed ideology. Both use propaganda to appeal to the emotions and fears of the general public.

From this comment I can see you don't get out much, and limit your reading.

From this comment, I can tell that you like ad hominems and aren't very good at debating.

And so do non-religious people, are you saying that these people would not help the world everyday if they weren't religious?

No... I'm showing you the flip-side of the coin. There are bad religious people, and good religious people. The same applies to non-religious people.

As many times as it takes for people to realize the dangers of the Abrahamic religions.

You do understand that you are doing EXACTLY what the crazy mullah's you're ranting about do... right?

 

[Perfect Circle]

:biglaugh:
What a pathetic joke. I have more than a few detractors on this forum, but I would be truly surprised if you could find a coherent one who believes that my contempt for bigotry has anything whatsoever to do with defending my religion or any other religion.

The fact of the matter is that your petty and intellectually bankrupt little attack on Abrahamic religions barely rises to the level of juvenile debate. Were one to take you seriously one could, with equal justification, ridicule atheism because someone like you can make and defend such utterly stupid arguments.

He's right, Richard. I don't always agree with what Jay has to say, and his posts are often short and caustic. But I sure as hell wouldn't go around insulting his intelligence... He's read more on religion than I can imagine.

 

[darkendless]

He's right, Richard. I don't always agree with what Jay has to say, and his posts are often short and caustic. But I sure as hell wouldn't go around insulting his intelligence... He's read more on religion than I can imagine.

That doesn't mean ****, he thinks it gives him an excuse to be rude to everyone he disagrees with.

His intelligence deserves to be insulted if the best he can do is insult others.

 

[Riverwolf]

The I'm sorry but their just plain stupid, it possible for intelligent people you make stupid choices.

Nice description of modern Western culture.

I am fully aware of the addictive nature of nicotine, I stared smoking early in life, grammar school, and continued into my adult life smoking three packs or more a day, when I had children and heard about the damages of second hand smoke, and came to fully realize the damage I was doing to my body I stopped "cold turkey" I made the decision that I was stronger than the addiction. I do know how hard it is to stop but only those with weak wills and lack of inner strength will fail to stop.

Like most everybody else?

Of course I have but I applied restraint, self control, and will power to avoid such things. What, are we powerless over the temptation to buy stuff? I know I'm not powerless, I restrain myself, try it!!

Not everybody is born with that kind of strength. It is admirable, don't get me wrong. Some can do it on their own; others need help.

Silly.

It's what I see.

Oh really, so there is apparently no difference between an eternal afterlife, and a plasma tv, in your mind.?

Both are useless luxuries.

We are suppose to be in control of our lives, only the stupid fall prey to big corporation,

Nice description of American common folk.

the religious prey on the poor and uneducated,

I don't; I make a point to NOT spread my religion, ESPECIALLY to the poor and uneducated.

and even those educated often fall prey to direct instructions for an all mighty being.

And what do you think these instructions are?

 

[Riverwolf]

These people speak FOR the religion, they do what they do in the NAME of religion, of course you blame the religion. Do you blame the misbehaving child, or the parents?

Parents for not teaching their children properly.

Thing is, it's NOT in the name of religion, even if they think it is; it's ONLY about power and control. Religion is about unity; that's the original definition of the word.

 

[Erebus]

These people speak FOR the religion, they do what they do in the NAME of religion, of course you blame the religion. Do you blame the misbehaving child, or the parents?

Stalin caused the death of countless innocents. Stalin was an atheist. Is atheism therefore to blame?

I would say no

I would also say that none of the members of Abrahamic religions on this forum are to blame for the atrocities that have been committed by members of their religion. They do not deserve the insults and vicious comments you have thrown about any more than you deserve scolding for what happened in Stalin's Russia.

 

[richardlowellt]

So the religious leaders should not be held responsible for their actions?

And how do you punish a Catholic Bishop for lying to the people? How do you punish the Mullah's for their deceit?

How is your wanting to blame religion for someones actions any different than religious people blaming the devil or god for wrong doings or tragedies in their life?

In the cases I submitted religion WAS to blame for the peoples actions, and is also the blame for the instances you pointed out here.

Why not hold those responsible accountable instead of generalizing and saying the Devil made me do it?

People have been made accountable for their actions, the women who put her baby in the oven and turned it on 375 to rid the child of demons, as instructed by God, is serving a life sentence, and I'm not sure where the case stands of the Christian Science couple how watched their daughter die a slow death while praying rather than take her to the hospital.

 

[richardlowellt]

And Hitler effected the "Final Solution" because he believed whole-heartedly in darwinism. Does that make evolution wrong? Or "bad for your health"?

One mentally unstable man is not a religion that influences millions.

No, Stalin was invoking the word of a flawed ideology. Both use propaganda to appeal to the emotions and fears of the general public.

No different that what religion does, fear mongering seems their specialty.

No... I'm showing you the flip-side of the coin. There are bad religious people, and good religious people

Only good is expected to come from religion.

. The same applies to non-religious people.

Beyond common humanity, there is not the same expectation for non-religious people.

You do understand that you are doing EXACTLY what the crazy mullah's you're ranting about do... right?

I'm committing millions of men women and children to a life of misery, how so?

 

[richardlowellt]

He's right, Richard.

Your certainly entitled to your opinion.

But I sure as hell wouldn't go around insulting his intelligence... He's read more on religion than I can imagine.

Which would explain his religious blinding.

 

[richardlowellt]

Nice description of modern Western culture.

Anyone who knows the danger of smoking both to themselves and to others and still insists on smoking, are stupid, plain and simple.

Not everybody is born with that kind of strength. It is admirable, don't get me wrong. Some can do it on their own; others need help

Your not BORN with that kind of strength, you acquire it, develop it, and use it when needed.

Both are useless luxuries.

The religious will certainly not agree with you.

Nice description of American common folk.

Sad but true.

I don't; I make a point to NOT spread my religion, ESPECIALLY to the poor and uneducated.

Your not a Catholic Bishop or a Mullah.

And what do you think these instructions are?[/QUOTE

I don't think I know what those instructions were, don't drink the few drop of medicine that will prevent polio, it will make you sterile. Don't use condoms they have microscopic holes in them that will spread the AIDS virus.