Adam and Eve

[Charles D McNerney]

Oh yeah Lucifer's female half is referred to in scriptures as the, "Queen of Heaven" on the Earth she was known by other names such as Inanna.At the time that YaH called Abraham out of Mesopotamia she had a temple where her male En ( Anti Christ) was serviced by the,"Daughters of the Kings of the World" so that all of the future generations of royalty would be descendants of Lucifer. This is why YaH called Abraham a simple wandering Aramean to be the patriarch of His people.

 

[Altfish]

I believe more in evolution than creationism but I believe God is the creator of the universe/universes regardless of whether evolution or creationism is true.

I believe most in theistic evolutionism. Theistic evolution - Wikipedia.

Theistic evolution is the position that "evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God", and characterizes it as accepting "that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God".

And no you are wrong. It is called "evolution theory" because it is not 100% proven, and scientist can not be 100% sure it is correct. Science has made mistakes before, and then they had to change the facts of a theory they first thought was correct.

But yes you are right that evolution is most likely correct, but it can be wrong as well.

Fine, that is what most theists do believe, i just omit the 'god' step.

I don't think I ever said it was 100% true, but it is approaching that percentage and the only elements in dispute are 'mere details' rather than the overall theory.

It will take a Nobel Prize winning hypothesis to de-thrown evolution. I await it, but am not expecting it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

All facts - without any evidence, except that perhaps Jesus might have existed in history.
Are there any prophets?
Even with God it leads to the grave and no further.
Life is not a mystery. You first create the mystery and then create your own solution. It is fun. No?

I find Not so with the God of the Bible because 'further than the grave' is resurrection back to live life again.

Gospel writer Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 2:16-18 a reference to Joel 2:28 that there will be people who will prophesy. This does Not mean prophesy something new outside of the Bible but what is already in the Bible.

To me the existence of the Bible is a fact that the Bible does exist, and No one can get rid of it.
Right, life is Not a mystery and the Bible explains why it is Not a mystery.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Humans aren't made of dust.............................

Since the dead return to the ground and the ground is composed of dust then yes we are made of dust.
How many people drown at sea, what happens to those humans _________
What happened to those humans we were directly hit by atomic bombs, where are their remains_________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..........................extinction pending.......dust we shall be

I find only the wicked shall be extinct because the executional sword-like words out of Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15; Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35.
'Everlasting life' (not extinction) is thus offered to most of humanity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Oh yeah Lucifer's female half is referred to in scriptures as the, "Queen of Heaven" on the Earth she was known by other names such as Inanna.........

I find the title 'Queen of Heaven' or 'Queen of the Heavens' is the title of a goddess worshipped by those un-faithful Israelites in Jeremiah's day - Jeremiah 44:17-19; Jeremiah 44:25-30.

 

[Valjean]

I find Not so with the God of the Bible because 'further than the grave' is resurrection back to live life again.

Gospel writer Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 2:16-18 a reference to Joel 2:28 that there will be people who will prophesy. This does Not mean prophesy something new outside of the Bible but what is already in the Bible.

You're preaching.

To me the existence of the Bible is a fact that the Bible does exist, and No one can get rid of it.
Right, life is Not a mystery and the Bible explains why it is Not a mystery.

Yes, the Bible exists, nobody's disputing that. The Popol Vuh and Gita exist too, and The Illiad. There are lots of books of cultural mythology. So what's your point?

The bible does not explain life. It says nothing of nucleic acids, proteins, cells, tissues, circulation or any hint of biochemistry.
Apparently you have a novel and personal definition of "explain" that I' not aware of.

Could you either define "explain," or show where biology is outlined in the Bible?

 

[Valjean]

I find only the wicked shall be extinct because the executional sword-like words out of Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15; Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35.
'Everlasting life' (not extinction) is thus offered to most of humanity.

Why are you preaching again? RF is not the place for sermons.

 

[YoursTrue]

You mean: "I'm not aware of the tests."

OK, are you aware of tests of evolution, and that particularly without substance there so some'thing' or things evolved? Please...elucidate. Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

You mean: "I'm not aware of the tests."

Here's what you said, to which I responded: "It seems to me there are lots of beliefs of man -- many of them contradictory. Only those rooted in observable, repeatble, testable, predictive evidence seem to be generally consistent."
So--I ask again -- what tests of "observable, repeatable, testable, predictive evidence" are there showing (proving) the theory of evolution? (Thanks...)

 

[YoursTrue]

Why are you preaching again? RF is not the place for sermons.

It's not a sermon. If it is, why bring up other writings that offer their viewpoint, with which the reader may or may not agree with? Speaking of expressing one's opinion, what about the preaching of the validity of evolution? (That's discounted? just asking,..)

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, but why involve an extra step? I just cut god out of any explanation.

btw When discussing issues with atheists, quoting Bible verses does not help your cause. Would you take more notice if I quoted Dawkins, Harris or Hitchens ? No, I didn't think so.

For the moment, let's say someone would take more notice quoting those persons rather than the words in the Bible. But then, taking notice of this, two things come to mind (my mind, not necessarily your mind -- -- our minds are in our bodies and are different) -- Genesis says, "In the beginning." That more than suggests that there was a beginning. I don't know how you would take it, but I can compare it to something like Michelangelo's sculptures, and someone describing his artistry. So one could say, "In the beginning, Michelangelo started carving small statues." So what's the beginning referring to? Anyway, I'll be curious as to your answer.
The second thing I was thinking about was when Moses appeared before Pharaoh. Moses wrote down his experience. God conversed with him. But Pharaoh clearly wasn't going to listen, even though Moses said God spoke to him and told him step by step what to do. So Pharaoh and his men found out the hard way that what Moses said was true. Now then, you gotta figure what is true? Some say that Israelites never existed in Egypt. They almost swear by it. Others claim that Jesus never existed. And so -- what do you conclude? I conclude that each one is drawn out by his heart and mind. Even if different persons have different opinions.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I find Not so with the God of the Bible because 'further than the grave' is resurrection back to live life again.

How long one will have to wait before the disintegrated bones are brought back to life?

 

[Valjean]

OK, are you aware of tests of evolution, and that particularly without substance there so some'thing' or things evolved? Please...elucidate. Thank you.

You don't think selective breeding works? Farmers have been using it for years. Corn Domesticated From Mexican Wild Grass 8,700 Years Ago
A small genetic tweak can have big effects. These 6 common vegetables are actually all the same plant

How would you explain tube mosquitos or "Nylon eating bacteria," or MRSA if evolution didn't happen?
How would you explain ring species?

 

[Altfish]

For the moment, let's say someone would take more notice quoting those persons rather than the words in the Bible. But then, taking notice of this, two things come to mind (my mind, not necessarily your mind -- -- our minds are in our bodies and are different) -- Genesis says, "In the beginning." That more than suggests that there was a beginning. I don't know how you would take it, but I can compare it to something like Michelangelo's sculptures, and someone describing his artistry. So one could say, "In the beginning, Michelangelo started carving small statues." So what's the beginning referring to? Anyway, I'll be curious as to your answer.
The second thing I was thinking about was when Moses appeared before Pharaoh. Moses wrote down his experience. God conversed with him. But Pharaoh clearly wasn't going to listen, even though Moses said God spoke to him and told him step by step what to do. So Pharaoh and his men found out the hard way that what Moses said was true. Now then, you gotta figure what is true? Some say that Israelites never existed in Egypt. They almost swear by it. Others claim that Jesus never existed. And so -- what do you conclude? I conclude that each one is drawn out by his heart and mind. Even if different persons have different opinions.

Genesis also describes a talking snake.

 

[Thief]

Humans aren't made of dust.

yes we are

 

[Thief]

The next time you empty your vacuum cleaner out how many humans are you flushing down the toilet?

at least one

that gray stuff on the your bookshelf....your bed sheets
the ceiling fan

that's you

 

[Thief]

Genesis also describes a talking snake.

serpent

which is a statement of character

not form

 

[Thief]

I find only the wicked shall be extinct because the executional sword-like words out of Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15; Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35.
'Everlasting life' (not extinction) is thus offered to most of humanity.

a serious possible scenario

I was responding to a post that excludes God

 

[Altfish]

serpent

which is a statement of character

not form

Why is it always written in riddles?

Anyway, this 'character' who was it?