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Adam and his wife died physically after eating the Forbidden Fruit. Genesis 2:17 is Literal.

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Well the future at present is largely unknown, If humanity does not face up to the potential problems and remain blindly attached to ancient tribal agendas will have a tough road in the future.
Nothing about ancient tribal things as mankind continues to pollute the earth.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
This reference is embarrassing from the perspective of your anti-science agenda, because the whole article describes how the knowledge of science advances correcting previous errors and knowledge based on limited information.

Whare your agenda remains in the Stone Age over run by the many errors you refuse to correct.
I don't have an anti science agenda. You do because you make a mockery of science by your evasion
 

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Mush better than your mythological version.
I beg to disagree. The future of mankind without my version is that the three Abrahamic religions will fight with each other because they see their theologies to be irreconcilable. On the other hand, my version is that the basic understanding of the Bible and Quran and Hinduism is identical and, in this version, mankind can understand the other version without dislodging from one's own views. So, the better future will be when different religious people believe in their own religions, but also see it to be concordant with the other religions.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
This reference is embarrassing from the perspective of your anti-science agenda, because the whole article describes how the knowledge of science advances correcting previous errors and knowledge based on limited information.

Whare your agenda remains in the Stone Age over run by the many errors you refuse to correct.
Not ony that, but @Twilight Hue deliberately refused to answer my question -- and did it while pretending he was. This is, of course, not honest. Expected, but not honest.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I beg to disagree. The future of mankind without my version is that the three Abrahamic religions will fight with each other because they see their theologies to be irreconcilable. On the other hand, my version is that the basic understanding of the Bible and Quran and Hinduism is identical and, in this version, mankind can understand the other version without dislodging from one's own views. So, the better future will be when different religious people believe in their own religions, but also see it to be concordant with the other religions.
I could quite easily agree with you about this, if (and only if) that meant treating religious scripture as metaphorical only, and not historical -- and certainly not scientific.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I beg to disagree. The future of mankind without my version is that the three Abrahamic religions will fight with each other because they see their theologies to be irreconcilable. On the other hand, my version is that the basic understanding of the Bible and Quran and Hinduism is identical and, in this version, mankind can understand the other version without dislodging from one's own views. So, the better future will be when different religious people believe in their own religions, but also see it to be concordant with the other religions.
Yes the the future of humanity as severe problems as in the past with ancient tribal religions fighting wars with each other on brutal ancient moral standards. including Hinduism, Unfortunately humanity will have to deal with this violence as in the past.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I don't have an anti science agenda. You do because you make a mockery of science by your evasion
You have consistently and stoically have clung to and anti-science agenda based on an ancient tribal agenda. You consistently mock science.

You cannot be consistent about science when you selectively accept which science you agree with and be honest about science. 95% plus od all the academic scientists in the world support the unity of the sciences of evolution as an integral part of ALL science. It is the fundamentalists of Christianity and Islam that hide with the intentional ignorant in Plato's Cave. This is demonstrated by your clinging to the ancient mythology of Genesis in rejecting science.

You actually consistently misuse the terminology of science in your rants against science,
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
It’s fun to trace conjectures about mythology; it often becomes a game of speculations...
Mythical speculations without any considerations of science.

I go with foundation of sound scientific, archeological and historical knowledge and not speculation.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Nope. It's you who habitually put your fingers in your ears whenever you come across something you don't like.

Expected, but certainly typical.
Look, I gave you a list of scientific errors in Post #271, in order to show how science continues to learn and grow from it's own mistakes. In that self-same post, I asked you to "give us some examples of when religious dogma was discovered to be wrong and something good came from it." You did nothing of the kind -- instead, you listed more science mistakes, which was ridiculous since I had already conceded the point that science, being a human construct, does indeed make mistakes.

Be honest -- go look at the post, then your responses -- then tell me I put my fingers in my ears when you answered honsetly. You will not be able to do it, as any other reader of this thread will easily be able to confirm.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Nothing about ancient tribal things as mankind continues to pollute the earth.
Yes, polluting and trashing the earthare a major major issue in the future, but ancient tribal religions do not offer any solutions without science.

In fact in the USA the conservative religious right have consistently opposed environmental efforts and rejected global warming,
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Such as..?
The Pentateuch is based on ancient tribal mythology and created history after 600 BCE in contradiction with academic history, science and archeology. The texts lack any provenance on history and authorship.

One major problem is the claim of the existence of a world free of sin, suffering and death before the mythical Original Sin and Fall of Adam and Eve. It is rather Bizarre that God would blame all the suffering death and sin in the world on two fallible innocent human beings, and not take responsibility for the Creation God determined in advance,,
 
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