allfoak
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Adam & Eve sitting in a tree....
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Isn't it simpler to believe that Judaism had an oral tradition that existed along-side the written?
allfoak
Alchemist
Certainly, if you like.
Are you suggesting that what was spoken was the same as what was written?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Why? Are you saying that G-d can only be with one person at a time?
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, and neither do you.
...or maybe it's more like what you call 'soul' has you. Your ego just thinks it is in charge.
allfoak
Alchemist
Okay that makes better sense.
Aren't they written down as well?
godnotgod
Thou art That
OK, that clears up things a bit, since most people regard the soul as being permanent, and that it is in need of salvation beyond death, as in the 'eternal soul'. What you are doing is equating 'soul' with the temporal state of Identification, that is to say, the character each of us is playing in the current incarnation.
But the problem with most people, is that, in calling themselves 'I', they actually believe 'I' to be something real. I am saying that this 'I' is a fraud, and that only consciousness, without 'I', is real.
So in the example you gave of 'water', the unique and temporal snowflake form would be 'I', while water, representing'soul', or consciousness, is the formless Infinite source.
that clarifies things but again at every state of energy, it has a state of matter. the difference is simply the amount of mass/density. as things become refined/sifted they become lighter, or heavier.
the Infinite I is everywhere and doesn't have a definition, or form. the temporal state of identification is an illusory thing, having mutated from one form to another, it is still the same but has mutated.
a spirit can evolve, or involve. one is a progression and the other regression. everything, except the ABSOLUTE, has it counterpart. so one is not possible without the other for definition. a hole, higher state of energy/matter, is defined by a lower state of energy/matter.
the only ABSOLUTE is that there are no absolutes. so agreed, the temporal state of identification, or personality, is a temporal form of the Infinite I. like a facet on a diamond, wave on an ocean, aspect of the ABSOLUTE.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and your ego thinks word salad wins the day
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
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actually it was adam and eve. the thing most people miss is that eve was the mother of all living; which doesn't exclude adam the man.
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
the original race was possibly intersexed. if reincarnation is true, then it would make sense that a spirit can change its form from life time to the next in this density/dimension.
actual studies in reincarnation at the university of virginia have documented such cases
The Science of Reincarnation: UVA psychiatrist Jim Tucker investigates children’s claims of past lives
Thief
Rogue Theologian
ok....but...
it will always bowl down in regression......Someone had to be first
picture yourself as THAT guy
yeah....it happened
gnostic judaism relates it as adam kadmon vs adam
adam kadmon would be like the paramatman vs the atman
or the allegory of the two birds
it would also be the idea behind ahmi yat ahmi, nuk pu nuk, tat tvam asi, ahea ashur ahea.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Its simply the separation from the Source of all, call it God, Consciousness, whatever, its our true Self. We have all risen from the Source of Consciousness, as waves on the ocean have risen from the ocean, the rest of the story is more or less about returning back to the Source, or Self realizing that we are One with the Source, I believe all religions have the same message within them.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That guy didn't just pop into existence, it took millions of years before that guy.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Because that is what you think to be the case is an indication that it is your ego that is calling the shots. Only the ego is concerned with who wins and who loses.
Your ego's attachment to your dogma is preventing you from seeing things as they are, which means that you see things as they are as 'word salad', not to mention the fact that what you see as 'word salad', is, quite simply, over your head.
A whole new world iawaits you, but first you need to get out of Plato's Cave where you have been indoctrinated to see those gray cave wall shadows as representing reality, when you really need to get a glimpse of the glorious Sun instead.