Age of Earth

[SkepticThinker]

The Evidence for Christianity - bethinking.org
Manuscript Evidence for the Bible (by Ron Rhodes)

God's preservation of the Bible is evidence that the Bible is true and accurate? Why couldn't this god manage to preserve original copies?

 

[elijoe_15]

Fine tuning of the universe and big bang are the best you've got? These are tired old arguments, debunked many times over.

Debunked, really? Not true but whatever

 

[SkepticThinker]

Where you there at the creation of earth? How can you just say it came from stardust?

Were you there?

Sorry but that's a terrible argument.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Debunked, really? Not true but whatever

Yes, many times.

The universe is fine tuned for life? Go out in a spaceship, open the hatch and jump out, and let's see how long you last out there.

 

[Marisa]

He still loved them he just let them do of their own free will.His condition wasn't "Eat of this tree and I will no longer love you"
It is important to note that God’s love is a love that initiates; it is never a response. That is precisely what makes it unconditional. If God’s love were conditional, then we would have to do something to earn or merit it. We would have to somehow appease His wrath and cleanse ourselves of our sin before God would be able to love us. But that is not the biblical message. The biblical message—the gospel—is that God, motivated by love, moved unconditionally to save His people from their sin.

I love how you skip over the whole question of whether or not it was moral of your god to lay a challenge before Adam and Eve knowing they hadn't the capacity to meet said challenge. And just so we're crystal clear, there is not "free will" involved in "love me or be eternally punished". That's the mugger who puts a gun in your face and demands your money or your life. Yeah, you've got a choice there, alright. But the one giving it to you is anything but moral. Your god is a common street mugger.

 

[Valjean]

Manuscript Evidence for the Bible (by Ron Rhodes)

This is evidence of the historicity of the manuscripts, not of their truth or validity. Similar documentary historicity and scholarly commentary can be found in many religious traditions.

 

[elijoe_15]

All I'm saying is I just don't see how anyone can believe that the earth just happened and that people came from apes,that,s just ignorance,and scientific "evidence" doesn't mean jack because it is flawed.

 

[Marisa]

I know but they are both against the idea of Christianity

Neither says anything about your god, but let me give you a pro tip: when you want to go around stating absolute facts about what is and what isn't against your religion, you are going to want to understand what those things are. You might want to even be aware of others in your religion who actually accept those beliefs (they outnumber you, FYI). Otherwise, you come across as ignorant, especially when you say something like: :"Big Bang/evolution/whatever anything that isn't Creationism", which makes it obvious that your goal isn't to engage in any meaningful conversation, but rather to preach.

 

[elijoe_15]

I love how you skip over the whole question of whether or not it was moral of your god to lay a challenge before Adam and Eve knowing they hadn't the capacity to meet said challenge. And just so we're crystal clear, there is not "free will" involved in "love me or be eternally punished". That's the mugger who puts a gun in your face and demands your money or your life. Yeah, you've got a choice there, alright. But the one giving it to you is anything but moral. Your god is a common street mugger.

God's way are higher than our ways.Morality is a relative man-made concept.Also they weren't eternally punished,anyone at any time can give their life to God.Also he's God who are we to even question his reasoning?

 

[Valjean]

All I'm saying is I just don't see how anyone can believe that the earth just happened and that people came from apes,that,s just ignorance,and scientific "evidence" doesn't mean jack because it is flawed.

You really haven't studied the evidence, have you?

 

[Marisa]

Validity was poor word choice.The Bible has actual historical evidence in the forms of thousands of manuscripts of recordings in the Bible which confirm the truth of Christ.

The bible is true because it says so, right here in the bible.

 

[Marisa]

No its just that you're beliefs are just so obscure,it's like your basing your beliefs on Harry Potter or something,why would you devote your life to an obvious book of fiction?

I don't know, perhaps you can edify us on the merits of basing one's life on obvious works of fiction?

 

[elijoe_15]

You really haven't studied the evidence, have you?

I have all the evidence I need I don't need some Darwinistic "proof" to know that the earth just happened.

 

[elijoe_15]

I don't know, perhaps you can edify us on the merits of basing one's life on obvious works of fiction?

The Bible isn't fiction

 

[Parsimony]

and scientific "evidence" doesn't mean jack because it is flawed.

Does that mean that you don't believe in quantum mechanics, the theory of relativity, atoms or anything else supported by scientific evidence either? I mean, if scientific evidence doesn't mean jack because it's flawed, as you say, then why should you ever listen to it?

 

[elijoe_15]

I don't need God in human form to believe he is true.Believing is not seeing.

 

[Marisa]

Where you there at the creation of earth? How can you just say it came from stardust?

Somebody's been studying at Ken Ham's knee!

 

[elijoe_15]

Does that mean that you don't believe in quantum mechanics, the theory of relativity, atoms or anything else supported by scientific evidence either? I mean, if scientific evidence doesn't mean jack because it's flawed, as you say, then why should you ever listen to it?

We can believe up to an extent but science cannot be proven.Things that go against the word of God just contribute to my further belief that there are and always will be inconsistencies in science.

 

[Marisa]

All I'm saying is I just don't see how anyone can believe that the earth just happened and that people came from apes,that,s just ignorance,and scientific "evidence" doesn't mean jack because it is flawed.

We didn't come from apes. we ARE apes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God is the original creator of "justice" so it isn't right of us to question him about fairness.

Only a tyrant says it's not right for us to question them.