Age of Earth

[Shadow Wolf]

He loves all of his creatures unconditionally but it isn't until someone accepts him and the Holy Spirit enters the, that they can truly feel the full extent of his love.

If he loves us all unconditionally, then we would all get to go to Heaven. If it were unconditional, then we would be forgiven, by default, rather than being thrown into a world were one can be so easily lead astray.

 

[SkepticThinker]

This is hard to explain to a nonbeliever but the love of Christ is a love completely different from anything of this world.This love is always available but it's peoples choice whether to embrace it or not

Then it is conditional.

How can I choose to believe something for which I have no good evidence?


P.S. I used to believe in god, long ago. Then I read the Bible. And I also realized that things like what you are saying here don't make any kind of sense.

 

[Marisa]

This is hard to explain to a nonbeliever but the love of Christ is a love completely different from anything of this world.This love is always available but it's peoples choice whether to embrace it or not

Completely different = Therefore it can't be understood = I don't need t be compelled to evaluate the value.

Such logic allows obvious contradictions to be handily dismissed, thus preserving belief.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A trickster God makes so much more sense.

Well, outside of Abrahamic religions trickster gods are rather common. It would thus seem that it is more logical to take a chance with Pagan, Native American, Greek/Roman, ancient Middle Eastern, or Ancient Oriental religion than one that lacks a trickster given the devious nature of humans, the world, and the universe.

 

[Marisa]

Well, outside of Abrahamic religions trickster gods are rather common. It would thus seem that it is more logical to take a chance with Pagan, Native American, Greek/Roman, ancient Middle Eastern, or Ancient Oriental religion than one that lacks a trickster given the devious nature of humans, the world, and the universe.

Gotta give the Greeks props, they never pretended their gods were perfect, gave two ****s about them, or weren't prone to human vices.

 

[elijoe_15]

If he loves us all unconditionally, then we would all get to go to Heaven. If it were unconditional, then we would be forgiven, by default, rather than being thrown into a world were one can be so easily lead astray.

If you read the Bible it says in Genesis that he gave Adam and Eve everything they could ever need but he also gave them the freedom to choose to sin or not and they did.God loved them unconditionally and in that he chose not to control them.What we as humans consider as just is not always just to God.God is the original creator of "justice" so it isn't right of us to question him about fairness.He really makes it easy.All we have to do is believe in him and follow his word and we get to go to Heaven.It's that simple.

 

[elijoe_15]

Completely different = Therefore it can't be understood = I don't need t be compelled to evaluate the value.

Such logic allows obvious contradictions to be handily dismissed, thus preserving belief.

You're right God's love is as far as the east is from the west so it can't be understood

 

[Parsimony]

It is an answer God created the earth so any claims that are influenced by evolution are automatically false.No evidence needed

If you think the theory of evolution has anything to do with how the Earth was formed, then you have a big misunderstanding of what evolution is.

 

[elijoe_15]

If you think the theory of evolution has anything to do with how the Earth was formed, then you have a big misunderstanding of what evolution is.

Big Bang/evolution/whatever anything that isn't Creationism

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you read the Bible it says in Genesis that he gave Adam and Eve everything they could ever need but he also gave them the freedom to choose to sin or not and they did.God loved them unconditionally and in that he chose not to control them.What we as humans consider as just is not always just to God.God is the original creator of "justice" so it isn't right of us to question him about fairness.He really makes it easy.All we have to do is believe in him and follow his word and we get to go to Heaven.It's that simple.

But they apparently didn't have knowledge of good and evil until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which by then was already too late because they had sinned without knowing it. So "he" is a trickster god after all!

That sounds loving to you?

Something isn't unconditional if there's a condition attached to it.

 

[elijoe_15]

But they apparently didn't have knowledge of good and evil until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which by then was already too late because they had sinned without knowing it. So "he" is a trickster god after all!

That sounds loving to you?

Something isn't unconditional if there's a condition attached to it.

He still loved them he just let them do of their own free will.His condition wasn't "Eat of this tree and I will no longer love you"
It is important to note that God’s love is a love that initiates; it is never a response. That is precisely what makes it unconditional. If God’s love were conditional, then we would have to do something to earn or merit it. We would have to somehow appease His wrath and cleanse ourselves of our sin before God would be able to love us. But that is not the biblical message. The biblical message—the gospel—is that God, motivated by love, moved unconditionally to save His people from their sin.

 

[Parsimony]

Big Bang/evolution/whatever anything that isn't Creationism

The Big Bang and evolution are also not the same thing.

 

[Valjean]

This is so out there that I don't even know where to start

???? -- I don't see what's "out there" here. It sounds like engineering 101 to me.

The Bible,the earth and thousands of historical documents give validity to God.

The Hobbit, New Zealand's South island and other works by Tolkien give validity to Middle Earth.
The Vedas, Gita, Brahma Sutra and many other historical texts give validity to Hinduism's 330 million Gods.

 

[elijoe_15]

The Big Bang and evolution are also not the same thing.

I know but they are both against the idea of Christianity

 

[Valjean]

They're both entirely indifferent to the idea of Christianity.
A few hundred years ago a Sun centered solar system was 'against the idea of Christianity." They've since made their peace with it.

 

[Riverwolf]

This is so out there that I don't even know where to start

I'm not surprised. The longer we spend with our specific way of seeing the world, the more "out there" conflicting ways get. Frankly, the entire notion of a supernatural creator is as foreign to me as the idea of everything being Stardust must be to you, or the idea that human sacrifice causes the sun to rise probably is to both of us.

 

[elijoe_15]

???? -- I don't see what's "out there" here. It sounds like engineering 101 to me.
The Hobbit, New Zealand's South island and other works by Tolkien give validity to Middle Earth.
The Vedas, Gita, Brahma Sutra and many other historical texts give validity to Hinduism's 330 million Gods.

Validity was poor word choice.The Bible has actual historical evidence in the forms of thousands of manuscripts of recordings in the Bible which confirm the truth of Christ.

 

[elijoe_15]

They're both entirely indifferent to the idea of Christianity.
A few hundred years ago a Sun centered solar system was 'against the idea of Christianity." They've since made their peace with it.

They both go against Christianity

 

[Parsimony]

I know but they are both against the idea of Christianity

That's debatable. What physical evidence can you provide that either the Big Bang theory or the theory of evolution are flawed? Please make sure that you do not use logical fallacies such as the "argument from ignorance", the "argument from consequences" or anything else like that when you respond.

 

[elijoe_15]

I'm not surprised. The longer we spend with our specific way of seeing the world, the more "out there" conflicting ways get. Frankly, the entire notion of a supernatural creator is as foreign to me as the idea of everything being Stardust must be to you, or the idea that human sacrifice causes the sun to rise probably is to both of us.

No its just that you're beliefs are just so obscure,it's like your basing your beliefs on Harry Potter or something,why would you devote your life to an obvious book of fiction?