Age of the earth

[9Westy9]

Yeah I guess it's circular reasoning, but it's also a good point. And I mean that it was inspired by God and everything it teaches is how God wants us to live our lives, all the stories in it really happened, it tells us how to receive eternal life and a home in heaven with God, and it teaches us all we need to know about him

how do you know that a) the stories are true and b) how it's inspired by God

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Yeah I guess it's circular reasoning, but it's also a good point.

No, it isn't. Circular reasoning is a well-known logical fallacy. You're starting with the conclusion you hope to prove.

"The Bible is the word of God." (assertion 1 is made)
How do you know? (assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because the Bible says so."(assertion 1 is validated with assertion 2)
How do you know the Bible is accurate? (assertion 2 is questioned)
"Because the Bible is the word of God." (assertion 2 is validated with assertion 1)

And so on it goes, ad infinitum.

Without demonstrating that its premises are valid, a circular argument is worthless.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You won't find any god endorsing the Bible. There is absolutely nothing that can be ever done about it. Im very sorry.

 

[Vadergirl123]

No, it isn't. Circular reasoning is a well-known logical fallacy. You're starting with the conclusion you hope to prove.

"The Bible is the word of God." (assertion 1 is made)
How do you know? (assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because the Bible says so."(assertion 1 is validated with assertion 2)
How do you know the Bible is accurate? (assertion 2 is questioned)
"Because the Bible is the word of God." (assertion 2 is validated with assertion 1)

And so on it goes, ad infinitum.

Without demonstrating that its premises are valid, a circular argument is worthless.

Okay then it's not circular reasoning. The bible is true because it's God's word and his word says it's true.

 

[Vadergirl123]

You won't find any god endorsing the Bible. There is absolutely nothing that can be ever done about it. Im very sorry.

Well I don't know what "bible" you read, but the bible(which is inspired by God) says that it's true. John 17:17

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Okay then it's not circular reasoning. The bible is true because it's God's word and his word says it's true.

In other words,the Bible is true because it says it's true. That just removes one step from the circle, but it's still a circular argument. You're now simply backing up your initial assertion with your initial assertion.

 

[Vadergirl123]

how do you know that a) the stories are true and b) how it's inspired by God

Well there's some historical evidence for some of the stories. But even without the evidence I've already told you. The bible says so, and since the bible is a book inspired by God than whatever it says is true. And I said the bible says is true b/c the bible claims to be true. Again if there was a book taht could "prove" the bible that book would be superior.

 

[EnochSDP]

But how do you know "God" said it? The book claims god said lots of things, but how do you know the book's claims are accurate?

Real question is how do you know it isnt accurate?

 

[Vadergirl123]

In other words,the Bible is true because it says it's true. That just removes one step from the circle, but it's still a circular argument. You're now simply backing up your initial assertion with your initial assertion.

Yes I am. What's wrong with that? And I thought you said it wasn't a circular argument??? Are you disagreeing with me just to disagree about somehing?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Okay then it's not circular reasoning. The bible is true because it's God's word and his word says it's true.

I would also point out that the Qur'an, Mahabharata, and The Blair Witch Project all claim to be true as well.

Does the assertion that something is true make it so?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Yes I am. What's wrong with that?

As I said before, it's flawed logic.

And I thought you said it wasn't a circular argument???

No, I said it was a circular argument.

Are you disagreeing with me just to disagree about somehing?

Not at all. I'm simply trying to ascertain what you believe and why, and then discuss that. If I'm coming off rude or cynical in the process then I do apologize.

 

[Vadergirl123]

I would also point out that the Qur'an, Mahabharata, and The Blair Witch Project all claim to be true as well.

Does the assertion that something is true make it so?

The Qur'an contradricts the bible so it can't be true. What's the Mahabharata? Does it contradict the bible? And does the blair witch project contradict the bible?

 

[Vadergirl123]

As I said before, it's flawed logic.



No, I said it was a circular argument.



Not at all. I'm simply trying to ascertain what you believe and why, and then discuss that. If I'm coming off rude or cynical in the process then I do apologize.

I looked at your example again and yes it is circular, but it doesn't matter. If there was something that was able to "prove" the bible is true. Then that thing would have superiority over the bible,and agian I believe the bible is true b/c it's God's word(inspired by him) and it says its true.

 

[EnochSDP]

The best way to find the true age of the earth is in prayer in God to understand in his word.The earth is ageless.the life we have started about 9,000 years ago but thats not the earths age thats man's.What most dont interprit right is the Bible starts at man's age not all of creation.with words as they,them,thier kind says that there are creations before Genesis 1:3.Genesis 1:1 claims Gods was before anything.So man has ruled 6,000 years.but the earth was around long before.

 

[Vadergirl123]

The best way to find the true age of the earth is in prayer in God to understand in his word.The earth is ageless.the life we have started about 9,000 years ago but thats not the earths age thats man's.What most dont interprit right is the Bible starts at man's age not all of creation.with words as they,them,thier kind says that there are creations before Genesis 1:3.Genesis 1:1 claims Gods was before anything.So man has ruled 6,000 years.but the earth was around long before.

God has always been here yes, but he CREATED the EARTH 6,000 yrs ago (Genesis 1:1) The earth isn't ageless. What do you think the term "in the begining " means? It means the begining of the earth and heavens.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well I don't know what "bible" you read, but the bible(which is inspired by God) says that it's true. John 17:17

Yes the Bible states that. Very sorry thats all there is.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

The Qur'an contradricts the bible so it can't be true.

Flip that around. What if I said the Bible contradicts the Qur'an so, therefore, the Bible cannot be true.

Would you accept that?

You're holding up the Bible as the absolute standard or truth, yet the only way you can justify that is to simply assert that the Bible is true because it says so.

When I pointed out that the Qur'an claimed to be true too, you immediately dismissed it.

You're using an obvious double standard.

The Qur'an claims everything the Bible does. It claims to be true and it claims to be divinely inspired.

If the Qur'an is wrong in making those claims, how do you know the Bible is right?

I don't see how it's flawed.

Because your asserting that the Bible is true and then, when asked how you know that, answering with either "because it's true" or "because it says so".

"The Bible is true because it says so."

"The Bible is true." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because it' says so." - This is meaningless. Until your initial premise "The Bible is true" can be validated, it makes no sense to appeal to the Bible itself because the next question will always be "And how do you know the Bible is accurate?"

"The Bible is true because it's true."

"The Bible is true." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because it's true." (Assertion 1 is defended with assertion 1)

"The Bible is true because it's God's word" - I covered this one earlier

"The Bible is the word of God." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because the Bible says so." (Assertion 1 is defended with assertion 2)
How do you know the Bible is accurate? (Assertion 2 is questioned)
"Because the Bible is the word of God." (Assertion 2 is defended with assertion 1)

The three arguments above are all circular.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Yes the Bible states that. Very sorry thats all there is.

NOWHERE does the bible stae ANYWHERE that it's not true. It says the EXACT opposite( John 17:17) Please tell me the verse where it says otherwise?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Real question is how do you know it isnt accurate?

Burden of proof. If someone makes a claim, it's on them to prove it, not on anyone else to disprove it. Logic 101.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Flip that around. What if I said the Bible contradicts the Qur'an so, therefore, the Bible cannot be true.

Would you accept that?

You're holding up the Bible as the absolute standard or truth, yet the only way you can justify that is to simply assert that the Bible is true because it says so.

When I pointed out that the Qur'an claimed to be true too, you immediately dismissed it.

You're using an obvious double standard.

The Qur'an claims everything the Bible does. It claims to be true and it claims to be divinely inspired.

If the Qur'an is wrong in making those claims, how do you know the Bible is right?



Because your asserting that the Bible is true and then, when asked how you know that, answering with either "because it's true" or "because it says so".

"The Bible is true because it says so."

"The Bible is true." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because it' says so." - This is meaningless. Until your initial premise "The Bible is true" can be validated, it makes no sense to appeal to the Bible itself because the next question will always be "And how do you know the Bible is accurate?"

"The Bible is true because it's true."

"The Bible is true." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because it's true." (Assertion 1 is defended with assertion 1)

"The Bible is true because it's God's word" - I covered this one earlier

"The Bible is the word of God." (Assertion 1)
How do you know? (Assertion 1 is questioned)
"Because the Bible says so." (Assertion 1 is defended with assertion 2)
How do you know the Bible is accurate? (Assertion 2 is questioned)
"Because the Bible is the word of God." (Assertion 2 is defended with assertion 1)

The three arguments above are all circular.

No I would not and doens't the Qu'rahn contradict itself? The bible NEVER contradicts itself. If a book contradicts ITSELF then it CAN'T be true. I'm sorry about the circular reasoning but AGAIN if there was something that showed the bible was true that would be superior. How should I word that logically?