Age of the earth

[shawn001]

you have princibles but you have others if I dont like them?Sounds like you change your position if your confronted.

LOL

Do you know who groucho marx was and that quote is humor.

How about addressing what I posted?

 

[EnochSDP]

Prove it.
You mite be smart or not!A child can tell you that someone can not become smart without learning.The fact that you think that something unintelligent can make something that is intelligent concerns me greatly.Obv man has not killed all animals so survival is not our only instinct.Why does man have ability to talk,think,reason,have morals,values,and virtue.No other animal does but man was by no reason at all gifted to speak and think to have this discussion.



Of course, gotta keep that god-shaped loophole in your thinking.
It isnt a loop hole it is a thought that has no foundation to your ultimate goal which is salvation.It is a meaningless question designed to defy God.


In your own words, define "design".created,formed,built,constructed



Man is not the only creature that can create from "matter".tell me another creature that creates things like humans?Animals have no desire to create things unless its material for a nest or food.beavers create dams.You can use words all day to sound smart but your reasoning is bland.No animal other than man has the desire to build monuments for itself.Or what animal you think has desired to go to space and thought up a way to do it.what animal wants to cloth itself with top designer jeans?



Backwards thinking. The Earth, solar system, etc. is not perfected for us. We adapted to our environment.
No you have backwards thinking!it was perfected for us!



Gravity.does not exist in space!



Such as?



We do, in great abundance.where?what?when?I have seen any and I look!Do not use bones from animals we have today either!



In your own words, define "evolutionary bones".bones that connect man and apes or any species of animal we came from?



Because they aren't. Faith has no place in science.science is solely based on faith.Otherwise how can a scientist claim things no man could know.You must have faith even though you dont want to admit it to believe in things billions of years ago.when your basic intelligence you should tell you no man can know about billions of years ago no matter how much evidence they claim.how can you?



No. That's a strawman.
No that truth!


Yes, it has. We were discussing it in another thread.



I don't believe in god, so your statement here makes no sense.
it makes sense you do not!


So you allow for the fact that the Bible contains errors, yes?

no the Bible contains no errors.men do!

The "prophecies" in the Bible are extraordinarily vague. Most of the "confirmations" are a result of self-fulfilling prophecies, shoe-horning, and confirmation bias.

you know little on the Bible.you previous statement you study is fully falsified.The bIble makes claims hundreds of years before the event to the detail.

I know.
no you dont truely


In other religions, people have "relationships" with their gods and have all of the same "personal experiences" that you do, yet I would be willing to bet that you would not accept that as evidence that their gods are real. Would you?

i have a relationship with my God.i do not know about others.but i believe others do too.and those that believe in flase Gods have relationships with them.Demons do exist!

I have no reason to have either.
you will


Appeal to personal incredulity.
you desire physical crediabilty when why should God reveal himself to someone like you who has no faith


Big bang is evident. Bible is not.

lol evident.billions of years ago you know is evident.what denile of realities.You believe a man can know about billions of years ago?lol

You are not as intelligent as you think.you leave God to believe in something far less provable.

 

[EnochSDP]

LOL

Do you know who groucho marx was and that quote is humor.

How about addressing what I posted?

i was wanting too but it made no sense!

 

[EnochSDP]

You aren't serious, are you? :no:

im deadly serious.you should be asking yourself if you are.cause your thoughts are way more unbelievable than mine.

 

[9Westy9]

this thread suddenly became extremely amusing :beach:

 

[The_Evelyonian]

You mite be smart or not!A child can tell you that someone can not become smart without learning.The fact that you think that something unintelligent can make something that is intelligent concerns me greatly.Obv man has not killed all animals so survival is not our only instinct.Why does man have ability to talk,think,reason,have morals,values,and virtue.No other animal does but man was by no reason at all gifted to speak and think to have this discussion.

I asked you to prove your statement that intelligence cannot come from unintelligence. Are you any closer to doing that?

It isnt a loop hole it is a thought that has no foundation to your ultimate goal which is salvation.

salvation is not my ultimate goal. Truth is.

It is a meaningless question designed to defy God.

Nonsense. If someone asserts that everything must have a creator, the next logical question is "What created the creator?" To assert that the creator itself needs no explanation is nothing more than special pleading.

created,formed,built,constructed

There's no evidence that anything in nature (animals, planets, universes, etc) meets that definition of "design".

tell me another creature that creates things like humans?Animals have no desire to create things unless its material for a nest or food.beavers create dams.You can use words all day to sound smart but your reasoning is bland.No animal other than man has the desire to build monuments for itself.Or what animal you think has desired to go to space and thought up a way to do it.what animal wants to cloth itself with top designer jeans?

First you say "No animal create things" and now you shift the goal posts to "No animals create things like humans do". Which do you want?

No you have backwards thinking!it was perfected for us!

Why do you believe that?

Gravity does not exist in space!

Wow, you just said that.
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where?what?when?I have seen any and I look!Do not use bones from animals we have today either!

List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bones that connect man and apes

Humans are apes.

science is solely based on faith.Otherwise how can a scientist claim things no man could know.

Evidence.

You must have faith even though you dont want to admit it to believe in things billions of years ago.

I'm an apistevist. I reject the concept of faith outright.

when your basic intelligence you should tell you no man can know about billions of years ago no matter how much evidence they claim.how can you?

Because I'm willing to admit my "basic intelligence" could be wrong.

No that truth!

No, it isn't.

no the Bible contains no errors.men do!

"but he didnt, he inspired it,therefore a man wrote and there is man made errors."

You're contradicting yourself now.

you know little on the Bible.you previous statement you study is fully falsified.The bIble makes claims hundreds of years before the event to the detail.

Example?

i have a relationship with my God.i do not know about others.but i believe others do too.and those that believe in flase Gods have relationships with them.

How do you know your god is not a false one?

Demons do exist!

How do you know you're not worshiping one?

you will

I doubt it.

you desire physical crediabilty

You missed that one by a mile.

when why should God reveal himself to someone like you who has no faith

Why is faith required?

You are not as intelligent as you think.

Another ad hominem.

you leave God to believe in something far less provable.

 

[shawn001]

One way of looking back in time is looking at stars. The sun's light takes 8 minutes to reach us. The hubble space telescope can see out to around 10 billion light years into the past and other methods can see 13.7 billion years into the past. From this we know the universe is evolving and every thing IN IT! They are fundemntal laws of physics and nature. We see stars being born right now in stellar nurseries and othr planets and new solar systems like ours being formed, before our eyes if you look.

Not to mention radioactive decay.

Not to mention how long it took to cool the core of th earth which created the magnetic poles and then the van allen belts that surround and protect the earth from solar radation or there would be no life, it would fry.

The earth has gone through major geologic transitions and was not the planet it is today. In fact in the begining before it cool, life would not have been able to exist at all. Massive heat, meteor bombardment, no continents and massive solar radation and no Oxygen atmophere.

 

[Fraleyight]

First off I do not want to get too involved in this discussion because I think The_Evelyonian is doing a terrific job at this already. I just want to add that just because humans are smarter then other animals does not make them more advanced or better. A cheetah is faster then us, birds can fly and no gorilla would ever lose in a fist fight to any human. We just evolved differently then other animals.

Anyways let the hilarity continue I am setting here with my popcorn as we speak.

 

[Vadergirl123]

The science that tells us that the earth is 4.5 billion years old is the very same science that allow your computer to work. Right this very instant you are using quantum mechanics to read this message that has been sent to you, and those are the very same scientific principles that are used in determining the age of rocks.

Yeah but science can at times be wrong, and whenever it contradicts the bible then it's definitely is

 

[Vadergirl123]

in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.then it is formless an void.
Yes God created the beginning,the heavens, and the earth.but there is a gap.

do you think God created formless and void things.By my inderstanding God creates things perfect from the beginning but they become imperfect?

There's no gap. The earth wasn't formed(created) yet and then God created it...6,000yrs ago

 

[Fraleyight]

Yeah but science can at times be wrong, and whenever it contradicts the bible then it's definitely is

Who is wrong when the bible contradicts itself

 

[Vadergirl123]

Sure, feel free. I'd be interested in seeing what you've got to say



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Yes it does thank you And you were correct the circular reasoning is a weak argument.I'll use a different one to show how the bible is true. Also I'll post some replies about the contradictions

 

[Looncall]

First off I do not want to get too involved in this discussion because I think The_Evelyonian is doing a terrific job at this already. I just want to add that just because humans are smarter then other animals does not make them more advanced or better. A cheetah is faster then us, birds can fly and no gorilla would ever lose in a fist fight to any human. We just evolved differently then other animals.

Anyways let the hilarity continue I am setting here with my popcorn as we speak.

Yes, popcorn all 'round I think.

We have rarely seen such a blatant display of confident ignorance and susperstition. If anyone is studying the damage religion does to the human intellect, they can find lots of good data right here.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, popcorn all 'round I think.

We have rarely seen such a blatant display of confident ignorance and susperstition. If anyone is studying the damage religion does to the human intellect, they can find lots of good data right here.

Agree. There is a fascination whenever religious sockpuppets take on a "life" all their own inside someones head. From my perspective as an ex Christian, there is some understanding why this is so.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Gravity does not exist in space!

Please, kill me now...

 

[shawn001]

There's no gap. The earth wasn't formed(created) yet and then God created it...6,000yrs ago

Where in the bible does it say how old the earth is and that its 6000 years old.

Archeologists discover 8,000 year old building in Tel Aviv

201001113028 | Archeologists discover 8,000 year old building in Tel Aviv

So there is a building in Tel Aviv, older then the earth? Interesting.

 

[shawn001]

Yes, the gravity doesn't exist in space quote, is a classic for sure.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein

 

[tumbleweed41]

...Considering that in space there is not requirement to stay in thier places but they do it is like they are obediant....

I have to say, this is the most ridiculous statement made so far in this thread.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Sure, feel free. I'd be interested in seeing what you've got to say

So here's a better reason for why the bible is true.(I copied it from a website called answersingenesis.org)
the Bible can make sense of the standards by which we evaluate whether or not something is true. One such set of standards are the laws of logic. We all know that a true claim cannot contradict another true claim. That would violate a law of logic: the law of non-contradiction. The statements “The light is red” and “The light is not red” cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense. Laws of logic thus represent a standard by which we can judge certain truth claims. Moreover, all people seem to “know” laws like the law of non-contradiction. We all assume that such laws are the same everywhere and apply at all times without exception. But why is this? How do we know such things?
If we consider the biblical worldview, we find that we can make sense of the laws of logic. The Bible tells us that God’s mind is the standard for all knowledge (Colossians 2:3). Since God upholds the entire universe and since He is beyond time, we would expect that laws of logic apply everywhere in the universe and at all times. There can never be an exception to a law of logic because God’s mind is sovereign over all truth. We can know laws of logic because we are made in God’s image and are thus able to think in a way that is consistent with His nature (Genesis 1:27). So, when we take the Bible as our worldview, we find that laws of logic make sense.
But if we don’t accept the Bible as true, we are left without a foundation for laws of logic. How could we know (apart from God) that laws of logic work everywhere? After all, none of us have universal knowledge. We have not experienced the future nor have we travelled to distant regions of the universe. Yet we assume that laws of logic will work in the future as they have in the past and that they work in the distant cosmos as they work here. But how could we possibly know that apart from revelation from God?
Arguing that laws of logic have worked in our past experiences is pointless—because that’s not the question. The question is: how can we know that they will work in the future or in regions of space that we have never visited? Only the Christian worldview can make sense of the universal, exception-less, unchanging nature of laws of logic. Apart from the truth revealed in the Bible, we would have no reason to assume that laws of logic apply everywhere at all times, yet we all do assume this. Only the Christian has a good reason to presume the continued reliability of logic. The non-Christian does not have such a reason in his own professed worldview, and so he is being irrational: believing something without a good reason. The unbeliever has only “blind faith” but the Christian’s faith in the Bible makes knowledge possible.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Where in the bible does it say how old the earth is and that its 6000 years old.

Archeologists discover 8,000 year old building in Tel Aviv

201001113028 | Archeologists discover 8,000 year old building in Tel Aviv

So there is a building in Tel Aviv, older then the earth? Interesting.

If you read Genesis you'll see God created the world in 6days then according to the chronology about 3,000yrs passed from Adam(who was teh first man created) to Moses. And moses lived around the time of the New kingdom(which would be c. 1300-1200B.C) As to the building the "evidence" is flawed. It's happened in science before